Trolley Ban!

[JohnnyDee]

Ours is a day-by-day decision but in practice once leckky trolleys are banned they will normally be banned until the Spring and the ground is firming up.

Most of us get a carry bag out round end of October.

Exceptions are those 70 + with a medical certificate but only then can they use a manual job.

 

[MashieNiblick]

Interesting post which raises a good point.

Surely the sensible approach is for a club to allow a trolley where someone isn't able to carry. Won't be many per club, and impact on course would be minimal.

I think the research referred to is the study by the Sports Turf Research Institute which you can download here

http://www.englandgolf.org/page.aspx?sitesectionid=320

It's pretty wordy but comparing foot, trolley and buggy wear in dry and wet conditions, it basically found that in wet conditions foot and trollies were fairly similar but buggies caused significantly more wear. Chart on page 8 gives best quick indication of findings. It does also refer to how in practice wear is affected by the different ways in which walking, trolleys and buggies are used on the course (page 15).

 

[patricks148]

:rofl:

Thought I was seeing things when I saw this thread starter

Me too.

Though we have never had a trolley ban

 

[WWG]

How many of your courses operate a trolley ban during the winter?

The reason I ask is that certain parts of my track are now a churned up mud bath due to ignorant lazy bar stewards who are too lazy to carry their bag in winter. They just continue to wheel their trolleys oblivious or unconcerned about the damage that they do. Its not as if its not noticeable either.

I spoke to the greenkeeper today who was at his wits end. He was saying that due to the weather he is about 3 months behind where he'd like to be in terms of winter plans etc. He was also saying that unless someone has a medical certificate then they shouldn't be allowed the use of a trolley at this time of year. What a wonderful idea I agreed. You should hear his opinion of juniors with electric trolleys, I think a tractor was mentioned in the same sentence and I did chuckle!

Anyway our weather has been that wet the greens staff can't take heavy machinery onto the course at present for fear of churning up the course.


How many of your clubs operate a trolley ban when its soft?

No buggies, but trolleys are fine

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

we've been asked to carry where we can.

 

[Doh]

We have a ban on Electric trolleys but you can use a push/pull one although you are encouraged to carry if you can.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

It always surprised me how protective club members were about the quality and maintenance of their club ...............................................................up until you introduce a trolley ban to protect it.
They then turn into a selfish angry mob.

 

[Snelly]

It always surprised me how protective club members were about the quality and maintenance of their club ...............................................................up until you introduce a trolley ban to protect it.
They then turn into a selfish angry mob.

I have found the elusive needle in a haystack - a post from Doon that I agree with.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

It always surprised me how protective club members were about the quality and maintenance of their club ...............................................................up until you introduce a trolley ban to protect it.
They then turn into a selfish angry mob.

Blimey - I agree

 

[dewsweeper]

Ban 'em all! If you can't carry you can't play would be my motto. Harsh maybe but I'm sticking to it.

Hope you still think that when you are 80!!!!

 

[DCB]

Interesting read, but as someone who would had a serious accident and now has a heightened awareness of what disabled people need need I don't agree with the post that restarted this old thread. I'm afraid that if the course conditions are such that a trolley or buggy ban was in force, then conditions are such that I wouldn't want to put myself at more risk out on the course than was necessary. We are each responsible for our own personal safety. Same criteria would be used if I was to measure up the risk of playing on a wet summers day.

 

[Psychew]

You can't cite someone for having an opinion!

I have lot's of opinions but they're only my opinion! Doesn't make em right or wrong!

Well no you can't be done for having an opinion but you can be if you say them or write them and they are a discrimatory remark under the equality Act Always best to keep negative remarks to ones self if your a bigot

 

[Psychew]

With 99 degree rule its not full bag to carry they'd carry just one club Oh the old story of money I've never heard of a poor golf club

 

[woody69]

I'm a little confused by this bump... however are you (Psychew) suggesting that if a trolley and/or buggy ban is in place at a golf club, by not either allowing disabled players an exemption on the ban for medical reasons, or providing suitable infrastructure that would allow buggys / trolley all year round, they are in breach of the Equality Act?

 

[Hobbit]

I have also read somewhere that carrying actually causes more damage than trollies but I can't remember where. I believe it was something to do with people carrying having more weight on one side than the other and walking more on their heels. Don't know if its fact or not, but have read it.

And I've also heard of some enlightened clubs realising that the Disabilities Discrimination Act could be used against them in these circumstances. Some clubs have a partial trolley ban when conditions dictate a ban is appropriate, i.e. anyone one with a medical cert to back up their requirement can still use a trolley. The cert has to be logged with the secretary, and the starter monitors all those that go out with a trolley. The list the starter correlates is given to the sec, and anyone who used a trolley without a cert already being in received a ban.

Seems like a decent compromise.

 

[Psychew]

Thankyou Mashiniblick I couldn't remember the name of the research last night Its funny how people are responding and very nice to see not all golfers are so selfish as to not support their fellow disabled players when the winter sets in Golf is the only out let my partner has Before he was introduced to the game he was so depressed to the point of suicidal When trolley ban brought in a few years ago I noticed his mood drop Its a therapy to him He gets to meet people Gets fresh air & excercise and doesn't feel his illness makes him useless

 

[FairwayDodger]

With 99 degree rule its not full bag to carry they'd carry just one club Oh the old story of money I've never heard of a poor golf club

I have a degree of sympathy with your general point but think any solution must be around the idea of an exemption to the trolley ban for people who genuinely need a trolley for medical or capability reasons rather than wide-ranging changes to the course.

Your comment about poor golf clubs betrays a level of ignorance, I'm afraid. Yes some clubs have plenty of cash but others are struggling to stay open year on year and many have closed already.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

With 99 degree rule its not full bag to carry they'd carry just one club Oh the old story of money I've never heard of a poor golf club

Have you found the copy of this EGU legislation in regards must having buggy paths ?

And also can you point out exactly in the Equality Act in regards Trolley bans ?

As for your crass comment in regards Military - I have played with people who have lost limbs and some of them have carried their clubs - one of the members at a local club who currently has a trolley ban still continues to play with a prosthetic arm.

 

[Psychew]

It always surprised me how protective club members were about the quality and maintenance of their club ...............................................................up until you introduce a trolley ban to protect it.
They then turn into a selfish angry mob.

Not asking to churn up course asking for a designated path !!!

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Not asking to churn up course asking for a designated path !!!

Will you pay for it ?