Trolley Ban!

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It all boils down to what is a "Reasonable Adjustment" under the DDA. I don't think temporary paths for the wet winter months would fall into this category. I may be wrong, but it'd take a legal case to decide what a club needed to do.
 
I'm a little confused by this bump... however are you (Psychew) suggesting that if a trolley and/or buggy ban is in place at a golf club, by not either allowing disabled players an exemption on the ban for medical reasons, or providing suitable infrastructure that would allow buggys / trolley all year round, they are in breach of the Equality Act?
Yes that is right any business or services are under the law since 2010 expected to make reasonable adjustments to ensure disabled people are treated equally and fairly as non disabled people The equality and disability Act is an interesting read Plus the EGU (European Golf Union) consulted with counsel and published a paper advising golf courses to get up to speed to stave of being taken to court if someone was discriminated against!!!
 
Yes that is right any business or services are under the law since 2010 expected to make reasonable adjustments to ensure disabled people are treated equally and fairly as non disabled people The equality and disability Act is an interesting read Plus the EGU (European Golf Union) consulted with counsel and published a paper advising golf courses to get up to speed to stave of being taken to court if someone was discriminated against!!!

Is this the article? http://www.golfclubmanagement.net/2011/12/do-we-need-buggies-to-comply-with-disability-legislation/
 
When people at my club say they can't carry, what they tend to mean is I can't carry my flipping great tour bag, stuffed full to the gunnels with stuff I haven't used in years.
Most could play if they took a half set in a pencil bag.
 
Yes that is right any business or services are under the law since 2010 expected to make reasonable adjustments to ensure disabled people are treated equally and fairly as non disabled people The equality and disability Act is an interesting read Plus the EGU (European Golf Union) consulted with counsel and published a paper advising golf courses to get up to speed to stave of being taken to court if someone was discriminated against!!!

Are they not treated equally then

Trolleys are banned for all - equal

Buggies are banned for all - equal
 
Yes that is right any business or services are under the law since 2010 expected to make reasonable adjustments to ensure disabled people are treated equally and fairly as non disabled people The equality and disability Act is an interesting read Plus the EGU (European Golf Union) consulted with counsel and published a paper advising golf courses to get up to speed to stave of being taken to court if someone was discriminated against!!!

Would installation of a 7km gravel/bark-chip path be seen as a reasonable adjustment or an unreasonable adjustment in order to allow continuous participation in a outdoor recreational activity?
 
It all boils down to what is a "Reasonable Adjustment" under the DDA. I don't think temporary paths for the wet winter months would fall into this category. I may be wrong, but it'd take a legal case to decide what a club needed to do.
On advice from EAS I am starting that process first thing is to serve a reasonable adjustment letter to the club They have to reply in 28days if non made or planned with in reasonable time I take them to court Similar thing happened in another case a few years agoregarding banning of buggies three disabled elderly men had started process had a court date and just before the hearing the club reverted its policy and allowed them to use the clubs Buggies free of charge The club realised had the case gone to court they would have been instructed to do the adjustments plus pay compensation This is not an isolated case there have been others professional tournaments banned trolleys and Buggies but they were taken to court when it flouted the Act now they allow disabled players to enter the competition with AIDS
 
Yes that is right any business or services are under the law since 2010 expected to make reasonable adjustments to ensure disabled people are treated equally and fairly as non disabled people The equality and disability Act is an interesting read Plus the EGU (European Golf Union) consulted with counsel and published a paper advising golf courses to get up to speed to stave of being taken to court if someone was discriminated against!!!

Have you read your own post? Reasonable is the key word here. And while giving medical exemptions to allow disabled players to use trolleys should be a reasonable adjustment for almost every club (under the assumption that trolleys actually don't damage the course more than walking, a point that's not examined in detail in the report you quote) , you surely have to agree that your request to built suitable infrastrucure for buggies for upwards of five figures so that a handful (if at all) of players can play during a 2 or 3 month period every year hardly falls under the definition of "reasonable adjustment"...
 
On advice from EAS I am starting that process first thing is to serve a reasonable adjustment letter to the club They have to reply in 28days if non made or planned with in reasonable time I take them to court Similar thing happened in another case a few years agoregarding banning of buggies three disabled elderly men had started process had a court date and just before the hearing the club reverted its policy and allowed them to use the clubs Buggies free of charge The club realised had the case gone to court they would have been instructed to do the adjustments plus pay compensation This is not an isolated case there have been others professional tournaments banned trolleys and Buggies but they were taken to court when it flouted the Act now they allow disabled players to enter the competition with AIDS

Couple of questions

Who pays for the paths ?

What happens when the paths flood and then the buggies and trolleys start to churn them up ?

Is the care of the course not the main priority and putting a trolley ban in place is actually for the good of the course to ensure that the members have the best facility possible for them to use

Suing and taking the club to court - typical of the claim society we live in now - your act isn't for the good of the whole membership - it's for the good of the singular.

What happens if you win and they are forced to build paths that they can't afford and the membership then leaves and the club ends up in financial stress - all because of one person being selfish
 
Apart from protecting the course a buggy ban often protects the rider, my course, like many, are highly dangerous in wet, muddy conditions as there's slopes that you couldn't safely ride down.

I'm allowed to use an electric trolley all year round even when there's a ban on, this is due to having a medical exemption which, as far as I know, most clubs will allow for their members to do so long as they can provide a letter from a doctor/consultant confirming their reasons.
 
For me, it is quite simple

If a trolley (not Buggy) ban exists on the course, it is because the Greenkeepers have decided that the course is so wet, that damage will be caused if trolleys are allowed,

If it is that wet, then I for one wouldn't want to play under those conditions and I doubt most people would.

Trolley bans tend to be very temporary in nature and are normally lifted as soon as conditions allow, so it is not a long term problem, it is a short term freak weather reaction situation.

If it is a regular occurrence at your club or lasts longer than a week or 2, then consider changing clubs

All this talk about forcing clubs to build weatherproof paths all round the course is a nonsense as few could afford it, so one wonders if the (new) OP is some kind of ambulance chaser or perhaps he should consider suing God for giving us all this bad weather in the first place
 
Are they not treated equally then

Trolleys are banned for all - equal

Buggies are banned for all - equal
No they not equally treated non disabled can play still some disabled don't have the choice as they CAN NOT carry a bagv Read link that Ruff-driver put on then may be you can engage a brain that has some knowledge rather than the bull **** bigots content you keep putting on here
 
That's one of the many I have Think some of the negative responders would get help from this though as in my view one should be equipped with facts before engaging mouth or fingers loln

Parts of this are nonsense - driving carts or buggies are often highly dangerous, especially on hilly courses in poor, wet and muddy conditions but still perfectly playable on foot! Expecting the course to close to everyone just because it's not safe for a very small minority is absolutely a most selfish attitude and you should take a hard look at what you're saying!
 
No they not equally treated non disabled can play still some non disabled don't have the choice as they CAN NOT carry a bagv Read link that Ruff-driver put on then may be you can engage a brain that has some knowledge rather than the bull **** bigots content you keep putting on here

Bigot ?

On Thursday I play we someone who has a medical cert and had had both hips done - he uses a buggy - when the ban comes in he used a trolley - when the trolley ban comes jn he carries three clubs just so that he is out and enjoy his work . He does that because he understands the reason why the ban is in force is because it's good for the course - he is selfless like that.

Why can't someone who can swing a golf club not carry a couple clubs in a light bag ?
 
Trolley bans are in place to allow the green staff the option of leaving a course open that perhaps should be shut. If you remove the option of the green staff banning trolleys the only result will be, the course will be closed more.
 
Bigot ?

On Thursday I play we someone who has a medical cert and had had both hips done - he uses a buggy - when the ban comes in he used a trolley - when the trolley ban comes jn he carries three clubs just so that he is out and enjoy his work . He does that because he understands the reason why the ban is in force is because it's good for the course - he is selfless like that.

Why can't someone who can swing a golf club not carry a couple clubs in a light bag ?

Yesterday I couldn't even put a sweater on. There are some people, myself included, who can't carry for 18 holes. Hell's teeth, I struggle to walk 18 holes with a trolley. A broken neck and lower back can leave you with long term issues.

i was told I'd be in a wheelchair, which at least I've avoided that so far but it is on the horizon.

anyway, away from the anecdotal rubbish. Reasonable adjustment includes affordable to the business. And usage supported with a med cert covers t'other. If conditions are unsafe for a sit on buggy, the club also has a duty of care to all users, including those that would be covered by the DDA, and they can be banned.
 
Surely the easy way out for clubs would just be to close the course when they would otherwise introduce a trolley ban/carry if you can policy if it ever got that far?

Then nobody is at a disadvantage as nobody can play.
 
Surely the easy way out for clubs would just be to close the course when they would otherwise introduce a trolley ban/carry if you can policy if it ever got that far?

Then nobody is at a disadvantage as nobody can play.

Lee park has done that so they don't upset the old guys who rip the course up on drive on buggies.
 
No they not equally treated non disabled can play still some disabled don't have the choice as they CAN NOT carry a bagv Read link that Ruff-driver put on then may be you can engage a brain that has some knowledge rather than the bull **** bigots content you keep putting on here

The research you quoted ealier states that while trolleys presumably don't damage the course more than walking, buggies definitely do and should be banned during wet/winter periods. Since you quoted that report I guess you're fine with that policy, because you only want trolleys to be allowed but not buggies?

But what about the equal treatment of people who need a buggy, because a trolley isn't enough?

Right - you don't care about them because neither you nor your partner, who only needs a trolley, would be affected by a buggie ban.

You put yourself on a high horse, claim to fight for equal rights when in reality all you care about is your own interests, and you have no inhibitions to harm others in your fight.


As long as that's the case, there's only one bigot or rather hypocrite in this thread - the one you see when you look in the mirror.
 
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