Trolley Ban!

[HomerJSimpson]

Homer, no offence here but your club's "carry where possible" means nothing, folk will do exactly what they want.

My vote goes to the club that's banning the 4x4, buggy or trolley and if the disabled guy needs to sit it out then it can't be helped.

On a lighter note I'd ban some fatties because they can also churn it up, a set of scales on the first tee and a weigh in :thup:

Absolutely and I'm sure 95% of the comp field tomorrow will have a trolley unless they put a blanket ban. It's typical of the woolly instructions we get at the moment. To be honest the course has suffered and some holes especially on the back nine have poor areas, even roped off to protect the immediate area around the green and the fringe. We should have a firm, carry only, trolly with hedgehogs or trollies allowed. Simple

 

[Oddsocks]

Interesting read, but as someone who would had a serious accident and now has a heightened awareness of what disabled people need need I don't agree with the post that restarted this old thread. I'm afraid that if the course conditions are such that a trolley or buggy ban was in force, then conditions are such that I wouldn't want to put myself at more risk out on the course than was necessary. We are each responsible for our own personal safety. Same criteria would be used if I was to measure up the risk of playing on a wet summers day.

Very sensible reply

 

[Smiffy]

On advice from EAS I am starting that process first thing is to serve a reasonable adjustment letter to the club They have to reply in 28days if non made or planned with in reasonable time I take them to court Similar thing happened in another case a few years ago regarding banning of buggies three disabled elderly men had started process had a court date and just before the hearing the club reverted its policy and allowed them to use the clubs Buggies free of charge The club realised had the case gone to court they would have been instructed to do the adjustments plus pay compensation

Happy New Year

 

[delc]

On advice from EAS I am starting that process first thing is to serve a reasonable adjustment letter to the club They have to reply in 28days if non made or planned with in reasonable time I take them to court Similar thing happened in another case a few years agoregarding banning of buggies three disabled elderly men had started process had a court date and just before the hearing the club reverted its policy and allowed them to use the clubs Buggies free of charge The club realised had the case gone to court they would have been instructed to do the adjustments plus pay compensation This is not an isolated case there have been others professional tournaments banned trolleys and Buggies but they were taken to court when it flouted the Act now they allow disabled players to enter the competition with AIDS

If you legally force golf clubs not to discriminate against the disabled in terms of full access to the course and trolley or buggy use in wet conditions, then all that will happen is that they will close the course and nobody will be able to play!

 

[Oddsocks]

If you legally force golf clubs not to discriminate against the disabled in terms of trolley or buggy use in wet conditions, then all that will happen is that they will close the course and nobody will be able to play!

:thup: not rocket science.

The the majority of the membership gets the arse because it's always closed and look elsewhere

The membership drops, as does the revenue to the club meaning cut backs or raised fees

The circle continues and runs the ground into the floor before selling the club to a developer

Seems the OP is only interested in their own gains, maybe they should look to move to a club which caters more for the buggy / trolley requirements

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Disability in golf is full of grey areas.

As someone who has been at the sharp end I have observed many individuals claiming a blue card who are perfectly fit to walk around 18 holes of golf at a steady pace. Yet they will park in a disabled space at a supermarket.

I am reminded of telling a one armed golfer that he was entitled to discounted fees to be thanked and politely told that he did not consider himself disabled.
The doctors note does not work as you will find 25% of midweek golfers can manage to supply one.
When the other 75% witness this they feel aggrieved.
I have found that genuine disabled golfers will respect the greenstaff/course/club and not play on days when they feel their buggy will damage the course.
The guy with the dodgy blue card will not.

 

[delc]

:thup: not rocket science.

The the majority of the membership gets the arse because it's always closed and look elsewhere

The membership drops, as does the revenue to the club meaning cut backs or raised fees

The circle continues and runs the ground into the floor before selling the club to a developer

Seems the OP is only interested in their own gains, maybe they should look to move to a club which caters more for the buggy / trolley requirements

How many UK courses have cart paths all the way round? Not many I suspect! And laying 4-5 miles of hard surfaced track is not a cheap exercise! Whilst I have every sympathy for the disabled, and would certainly encourage them to play golf, perhaps they should accept that there are occasions that for their own safety, the good of others and the protection of courses, they should refrain from doing so.

 

[Nashy]

I will add that I trolley during the summer months. I do always however carry during the winter. For people who are not physically able to do this I won't knock them for using a trolley. If the course is getting so badly torn up from people using trolleys using hedgehog wheels then I would question if the course should be open at all.

 

[Smiffy]

I could carry but prefer using my GoKart.
Course is open at the moment, carrying only.
I've decided not to bother.
My choice, and I couldn't really give a rat's ass.

 

[ColchesterFC]

I played over Xmas and got chatting in the pro shop before we went out. They'd had a phone call from a 4 ball who were looking to come and play the course. The guy on the phone mentioned that they were ex servicemen and did the course offer any discounts for disabled people. They guy in the pro shop said yes and asked if they could bring proof of disability with them when they came. The response from the guy on the phone was "Well we've only got 3 legs between the 4 of us, will that be proof enough"?

 

[Oddsocks]

I could carry but prefer using my GoKart.
Course is open at the moment, carrying only.
I've decided not to bother.
My choice, and I couldn't really give a rat's ass.

But to be honest you are an old codger mr smiff

 

[Fish]

On advice from EAS I am starting that process first thing is to serve a reasonable adjustment letter to the club They have to reply in 28days if non made or planned with in reasonable time I take them to court Similar thing happened in another case a few years agoregarding banning of buggies three disabled elderly men had started process had a court date and just before the hearing the club reverted its policy and allowed them to use the clubs Buggies free of charge The club realised had the case gone to court they would have been instructed to do the adjustments plus pay compensation This is not an isolated case there have been others professional tournaments banned trolleys and Buggies but they were taken to court when it flouted the Act now they allow disabled players to enter the competition with AIDS

You sir are a knob, everyone would like to say the same, but hey, I'll take the lead, I don't care whether it's you or your partner are disabled or whether your just a mouth piece for the cause, what your doing I think would make most disabled or elderly people whom want to be treated equally and without prejudice embarrassed by your actions and stance, what your selfish attitude is clearly displaying is, that if the use of buggies or even trolleys have to be banned on any particular day for the good of the course and safety reasons no able bodied people who are able to carry should use the said the course meaning it would have to close to keep the status quo, what a complete selfish and missuse of your disability that is, you sir should be ashamed of yourself IMO, trying to force a club to create soecific pathways when not needed is a nonesence, you chose to join the club, if your not happy, jog on to somewhere else but, I would imagine you've got a bit of a reputation in your area for being a trouble maker but obviously hide behind the disability side of things, which I find totally unacceptable and very distasteful.

 

[delc]

Does anybody have any evidence that Hedgehog wheels actually reduce damage to the course? Our muddier areas now have lots of little dimple marks where trolleys with Hedgehog wheels have run over them. Our club made them compulsory for the Winter use of trolleys a few years ago, so despite some doubts from our course manager, now that the members have invested considerable sums of money equipping their trolleys with Hedgehogs, they can hardly retract this concession! The other problem with them is that they make electric trolleys consume more power, so that 18 hole batteries now only last 15 holes! Thus quite a few members have also had to buy higher capacity 36 hole batteries to make sure of getting round 18 holes!

 

[Oddsocks]

You sir are a knob, everyone would like to say the same, but hey, I'll take the lead, I don't care whether it's you or your partner are disabled or whether your just a mouth piece for the cause, what your doing I think would make most disabled or elderly people whom want to be treated equally and without prejudice embarrassed by your actions and stance, what your selfish attitude is clearly displaying is, that if the use of buggies or even trolleys have to be banned on any particular day for the good of the course and safety reasons no able bodied people who are able to carry should use the said the course meaning it would have to close to keep the status quo, what a complete selfish and missuse of your disability that is, you sir should be ashamed of yourself IMO, trying to force a club to create soecific pathways when not needed is a nonesence, you chose to join the club, if your not happy, jog on to somewhere else but, I would imagine you've got a bit of a reputation in your area for being a trouble maker but obviously hide behind the disability side of things, which I find totally unacceptable and very distasteful.

Fish... I'm kinda lost in the point your trying to make :rofl:

Surely it's only fair that the 95% able bodied carriers miss out because wobbly bob wants to play golf.

FWIW, I'm about to have a knee op where my golf is going to be affected. If I really want to play in the winter it will be half set in a pencil bag... Simple!

 

[HomerJSimpson]

:thup: not rocket science.

The the majority of the membership gets the arse because it's always closed and look elsewhere

The membership drops, as does the revenue to the club meaning cut backs or raised fees

The circle continues and runs the ground into the floor before selling the club to a developer

Seems the OP is only interested in their own gains, maybe they should look to move to a club which caters more for the buggy / trolley requirements

It does seem to be blatantly obvious and a case of the few, however unfortunate their situation wanting their cake and eating it and screw the majority who contribute by far and away the majority of the income to the club. The club will shut the course at every opportunity to protect themselves in iffy weather and the core of the club suffers

You sir are a knob, everyone would like to say the same, but hey, I'll take the lead, I don't care whether it's you or your partner are disabled or whether your just a mouth piece for the cause, what your doing I think would make most disabled or elderly people whom want to be treated equally and without prejudice embarrassed by your actions and stance, what your selfish attitude is clearly displaying is, that if the use of buggies or even trolleys have to be banned on any particular day for the good of the course and safety reasons no able bodied people who are able to carry should use the said the course meaning it would have to close to keep the status quo, what a complete selfish and missuse of your disability that is, you sir should be ashamed of yourself IMO, trying to force a club to create soecific pathways when not needed is a nonesence, you chose to join the club, if your not happy, jog on to somewhere else but, I would imagine you've got a bit of a reputation in your area for being a trouble maker but obviously hide behind the disability side of things, which I find totally unacceptable and very distasteful.

Not sure I concur with the insult in the first sentence but I feel the OP's action seems petty and blinkered. If for example a court declares cart pathhs have to be laid, not only could that be a financial outgoing too far for some clubs in the current climate, but it would decimate the feel and look of many courses. As much as I empathise with the OP's situation and it's great to see people not letting a disability stop their enjoyment of golf, this decision seems short sighted and wrong

 

[PhilTheFragger]

Its not the (new) OP, its the (new) OP'S partner that plays and has the disability
The (new ) OP obviously has never played the game nor has any idea how Golf Courses work or the funding involved.
He probably works for "Injury Lawyers 4 You" or is the sort of Litigant that gives Litigants a bad name.

 

[guest100718]

Its not the (new) OP, its the (new) OP'S partner that plays and has the disability
The (new ) OP obviously has never played the game nor has any idea how Golf Courses work or the funding involved.
He probably works for "Injury Lawyers 4 You" or is the sort of Litigant that gives Litigants a bad name.

whats with the (new)?

 

[PhilTheFragger]

Its an old thread, dug up by the "new" OP who resurrected it

look at the date of the first post

 

[ChrisB0210]

My club has never banned trolleys in winter, although last year we did have a request to carry if we were able to (I did).

As our membership is generally the top side of 50, I think a ban is unlikely unless the course really started to suffer. We're lucky as our course drains quite well and the Greens staff do rope off vulnerable areas to protect them from trolleys. We also use fairway mats in winter to help protect the course, so perhaps that helps avoid a trolley ban?

I do use an electric trolley due to long standing neck and shoulder issues (injuries from other sports) and it's fitted with hedgehog wheels. I'm not sure how they help the course, but that said, my tracks don't seem to be as noticeable as those left by summer wheels.

If a ban was implemented then I'd carry, but would have to consider what stayed in the bag and what could be left behind at home.

Interestingly, one of our older members has an acquaintance who is a Conultant Orthopaedic Surgeon. He tells me that the Surgeon says he'd ban carrying for all golfers all year round because of the damage and strain it can cause to certain parts of the body.

 

[Oddsocks]

Interestingly, one of our older members has an acquaintance who is a Conultant Orthopaedic Surgeon. He tells me that the Surgeon says he'd ban carrying for all golfers all year round because of the damage and strain it can cause to certain parts of the body.

i think if you spoke to any medical experts that would advise against most daily activities, strongly suggest wrapping yourself in bubble wrap and hide in the bottom of the walldrobe or under the bed to avoid injury, but I seriously doubt 7-10 kilo's for 5 min stints over 4 hours is going to do serious harm,