Eh! Titleist DCI's are cavity backed, perimeter weighted, semi-game improvement irons. They are easy to hit, especially the long irons because they actually have a bit of loft.
Titleist DCI Oversize+ Golds
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Eh! Titleist DCI's are cavity backed, perimeter weighted, semi-game improvement irons. They are easy to hit, especially the long irons because they actually have a bit of loft.
garyinderry
Ryder Cup Winner
I have a DCI 1 iron here. Its not the hardest 1 iron I've ever hit.
Nowt wrong with playing weak lofts. I do that and ditched my gap wedge.
Nowt wrong with playing weak lofts. I do that and ditched my gap wedge.
MrBrightside
Assistant Pro
For me the loft 'issue' is simple. I take the four clubs as highlightedbelow and compare them against each other on the range, which for me is targetsof say 115yrds and 150yrds. Considerations other than distance being dispersion,mi*****, feel etc.
RobertB
Assistant Pro
I'm still struggling with the 'game' of strengthening lofts as practiced by T-M, Callaway and others....
The Big Bertha irons have a 4I (20.5*) and a 5I(23*) - in contrast my older 712s have something like 24* and 27* even AP1s are 23*/26* ...... and as for that 20.5* Bertha 4I my 712U 2I is only 1.5* degree stronger...!
Is it any wonder most handicappers struggle to hit many of the GI sets less than a 6I when the are so de-lofted.
It's a scam... companies can on one hand make punters think they bomb "mid-irons" (http://www.mygolfspy.com/mygolfspy-labs-your-distance-reality-check/ ) and then at other end extract cash.....
"can't hit a 3,4,5 iron? then hang just on... we'll we've the solution try one of our lovely hybrids..." (£199/each) to accompany your 5-SI 7 club set of irons for £649.
So in past you'd have paid £650 for 9 irons ... now you get 7 of them and can't hit the de-lofted 3 & 4 for toffee so have to buy a further £400 worth of hybrids.. clearing a couple hundred more for manufacturer compared to a traditional 9 irons set..... ker-ching.
The Big Bertha irons have a 4I (20.5*) and a 5I(23*) - in contrast my older 712s have something like 24* and 27* even AP1s are 23*/26* ...... and as for that 20.5* Bertha 4I my 712U 2I is only 1.5* degree stronger...!
Is it any wonder most handicappers struggle to hit many of the GI sets less than a 6I when the are so de-lofted.
It's a scam... companies can on one hand make punters think they bomb "mid-irons" (http://www.mygolfspy.com/mygolfspy-labs-your-distance-reality-check/ ) and then at other end extract cash.....
"can't hit a 3,4,5 iron? then hang just on... we'll we've the solution try one of our lovely hybrids..." (£199/each) to accompany your 5-SI 7 club set of irons for £649.
So in past you'd have paid £650 for 9 irons ... now you get 7 of them and can't hit the de-lofted 3 & 4 for toffee so have to buy a further £400 worth of hybrids.. clearing a couple hundred more for manufacturer compared to a traditional 9 irons set..... ker-ching.
Foxholer
Blackballed
Del. If you absorbed the title, you might notice that these are 'Oversize - Gold'! While there were many 'DCI' models produced, this model is described as 'ultimate forgiveness' - oversize and with more offset than other models.
I doubt whether the DCIs you played with are the same model.
N
I have the standard slightly smaller headed ones, as used successfully by Sam Torrance for many years, and they are still easy to hit!
Yes, you've understood the issue perfectly! It's a scam by Taylor Made, Callaway and some other manufacturers to sell us more clubs, e.g. gap wedges, hybrids, etc. As you are always given a 7-iron as a demo club, the trick is to make that hit the ball as far as possible! Then fit the other clubs in the set around that as best you can.
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Foxholer
Blackballed
It's not really a scam, though it could be a trap for the unwary.
How often does a particular model of car (VW Golf, Honda Civic etc) get smaller or less powerful?
The only thing that is 'standard' is the weight of each iron - a 7-iron is 270gms +/- a gram or so. What a manufacture chooses to do with that weight, and the shaft that's attached to it, is up to them. It's then up to the consumer to determine what they really need. It was quite some time ago that 3-irons were included in GI 'sets'. 4-iron is generally the lowest club in an off-the-shelf GI set these days!
That's because a modern 4-iron has about the same loft as an old time 2-iron. Most club golfers will now struggle with anything longer than a 5-iron!
chrisd
Major Champion
Unless of course the construction has made the new clubs easier to hit !
Don't think it has to any significant degree, for irons anyway, IMHO!
chrisd
Major Champion
You have to be joking!
My Callaway X2 Hot irons are the longest and easiest clubs I've ever hit and it's not all down to lofts that's for sure, but no doubt you'll think otherwise, so we'll agree to disagree as usual!
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In answer to the OP - give them a bash and see what happens
Ignore all the stuff about lofts etc etc and just hit the clubs and see how they go
The difference in lofts between those clubs and new clubs are irrelevant - it will be about how far you hit each club and then getting top and bottom gaps filled.
Totally irrelevant if your 3 iron is the same loft as someone else's 5 iron - irrelevant
Ignore all the stuff about lofts etc etc and just hit the clubs and see how they go
The difference in lofts between those clubs and new clubs are irrelevant - it will be about how far you hit each club and then getting top and bottom gaps filled.
Totally irrelevant if your 3 iron is the same loft as someone else's 5 iron - irrelevant
RobertB
Assistant Pro
direct comparison on a quick google
x2 hot has 6i loft 26* and length 37.625"
712mb has 6i loft 31* and length 37.5
The x2 is more like a 5i length with 4.75iron loft in comparison to more trad clubs. This us why the 4 and in particular 3 iron are in GI sets almost impossible... The x hot 3i is 1.5 degree stronger than my 2i 712u. At 18* a "3 iron" will take a well grooved strong swing to get launch and ball speed to use....... Hence need for 200 quid hybrids on offer in high teens, low twenties degrees......
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The Titleist DCI irons maintain a 4 degree gap between clubs all the down to the 2-iron. For the longer irons in some of the TM sets of irons, the gap can be down to 2-degrees!
DCI stands for Direct Central Impact. The idea was that the middle of the sweet spot was in the middle of the club face. In the more traditional blade clubs, the sweet spot was often quite close to the hosel, so a perfect impact was quite close to being a shank! My DCI's are the original Black Triangle version with less offset than the Gold. The only problems I have with them now is that they have stiff shafts, which I am now a bit too old and short hitting to make the best use of, and the grips have gone a bit hard. Still played OK with them though, and my scores were about the same as with the Speed Blades. Just had to remember to take one or two clubs more (numerically speaking) for a given distance. The PW and SI are particularly nice. 
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That response has nothing to do with what I posted or is it of any relevance to the OP
It's just drivel
chrisd
Major Champion
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I readily agree that the lofts of the X2's are cranked compared to the DCI equivalent, that certainly helps for longer distance, but, I have had DCI's and they also are way behind on modern technology. Modern clubs have technology that allows the cranking of lofts without making the new clubs impossible to hit, if you added loft and length to a DCI I doubt hardly anyone would successfully play with them whereas the X2's (and most modern clubs) are a doddle to hit because the other innovations, such as trampoline effect, allowed the cranking of lofts to actually work
I readily agree that the lofts of the X2's are cranked compared to the DCI equivalent, that certainly helps for longer distance, but, I have had DCI's and they also are way behind on modern technology. Modern clubs have technology that allows the cranking of lofts without making the new clubs impossible to hit, if you added loft and length to a DCI I doubt hardly anyone would successfully play with them whereas the X2's (and most modern clubs) are a doddle to hit because the other innovations, such as trampoline effect, allowed the cranking of lofts to actually work
J
I find the 4-iron in my Taylor Made Speed Blade set (20 degrees) harder to hit than the 3-iron (21 degrees) in my Titleist DCI set! :mmm:
chrisd
Major Champion
I find the 4 iron in my x2's easier to hit than almost any of my DCI's were but then I have improved, but I can hit my 4 iron 205 yards in this set and I couldn't hit any DCI that distance ( and I had a 3 iron in the set) even with a shortened run up
