TheClaw
Q-School Graduate
They said in the last 17 years no one has been penalised for slow play on the PGA tour.
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They said in the last 17 years no one has been penalised for slow play on the PGA tour.
pogle
Head Pro
Remember, the Masters isn't organised by the PGA Tour, but Augusta National Golf Club. Perhaps ANGC aren't scared of upsetting the players by applying the conditions properly.
SammmeBee
Journeyman Pro
2010 US PGA.....French Bloke.....as I said depends on the rest of the sentence....yours is still wrong. Try 'by' not 'on'.
duncan mackie
Money List Winner
doesn't really work like that.
the Masters does have it's own 'Hard Card', which is the applicable Local Rules, and the COC combined, but everything on that complies with the R&A/USGA Rules inc the pace of play (which isn't actually contained in the LR but is referenced as required by Note 2 to Rule 6-7 and printed seperately. It will be given to every player and posted on the board.
all Tournaments have an apppointed Tournament Director, and a Committee - but they are effectively there to resolve (and avoid in the first place!) issues in line with the Rules. On the course there will be Rules Officials - whose largest task week in and week out is to monitor groups timings! In practice the only real lattitude will be initially in this area where they will take into account issues such as the need for rulings, lost balls, etc when issuing a first warning - but after that there won't be any scope and group targets will then have to be met to avoid the group going on the shot clock...where the timings are exact and defined, the penalties laid out etc
basically it won't make any difference that it's the Masters, in the same way that it wouldn't matter who it was (other than those used to being on the clock will have a fine tuned process to deal with it without incurring a penalty, as others have already mentioned)
bluewolf
Money List Winner
Re: Shot penalty... Outrageous.
Not sure why this comment is aimed at me really.
Let me be clear. If there is a warning system in place prior to a penalty being given, then you can't really penalise someone for heeding the warning consistantly.
Personally, I wouldn't have a warning system. I think this almost encourages some players to play slowly, Knowing that they will receive a warning before any action is taken. I'm sure some players use this when they think they can upset the rhythm of the group behind. I would like to see players put on the clock without a warning, then penalised if they are proven to be slow.
Not sure why this comment is aimed at me really.
Let me be clear. If there is a warning system in place prior to a penalty being given, then you can't really penalise someone for heeding the warning consistantly.
Personally, I wouldn't have a warning system. I think this almost encourages some players to play slowly, Knowing that they will receive a warning before any action is taken. I'm sure some players use this when they think they can upset the rhythm of the group behind. I would like to see players put on the clock without a warning, then penalised if they are proven to be slow.
HawkeyeMS
Ryder Cup Winner
Re: Shot penalty... Outrageous.
Not really aimes at you TBH, just picked something to reply to, probably the wrong post. I agree with what you say
Not really aimes at you TBH, just picked something to reply to, probably the wrong post. I agree with what you say
anthony
Medal Winner
Re: Shot penalty... Outrageous.
Ben crenshawsaid they only spoke to him once on the 16 then on the 17 they told him he was being penalised. Sky sports app
Ben crenshawsaid they only spoke to him once on the 16 then on the 17 they told him he was being penalised. Sky sports app
HawkeyeMS
Ryder Cup Winner
Re: Shot penalty... Outrageous.
I have read two accounts. One saying he was unofficially warned on 10 & 12 for breaching the 40s time limit before officially being warned on 13 and then penalised on 17.
The other saying he was warned on 13, allowed to get away with breaches on 16 & then penalised on 17.
Either way, one warning should be enough
I have read two accounts. One saying he was unofficially warned on 10 & 12 for breaching the 40s time limit before officially being warned on 13 and then penalised on 17.
The other saying he was warned on 13, allowed to get away with breaches on 16 & then penalised on 17.
Either way, one warning should be enough
Captainron
Big Hitting, South African Sweary Person
Re: Shot penalty... Outrageous.
He's an amateur so he won't lose any cash by being penalised? Might be easier to penalise him because it isn't affecting his earnings. Normally too scared to take cash away from players.
He's an amateur so he won't lose any cash by being penalised? Might be easier to penalise him because it isn't affecting his earnings. Normally too scared to take cash away from players.
Swinger
Journeyman Pro
Re: Shot penalty... Outrageous.
Maybe he was that much slower!
I'd rather they try and get the message across to him now as opposed to him encouraging people to play 7 hour rounds in a few years.
Would like to see players get fined a lot more for slow play but maybe this time he was taking it to another level. It must have been a tuff call as it was always going to go down like a lead ballon.
Maybe he was that much slower!
I'd rather they try and get the message across to him now as opposed to him encouraging people to play 7 hour rounds in a few years.
Would like to see players get fined a lot more for slow play but maybe this time he was taking it to another level. It must have been a tuff call as it was always going to go down like a lead ballon.
garyinderry
Ryder Cup Winner
Re: Shot penalty... Outrageous.
an embarrassing day for golf! taking the shine off an out of this world performance!
with the psychological pressure he and his caddy were under it would be easy to lose minutes here and there. you have to remember they are trying to stay in the zone. they dont have time to smell the roses.
many big players scoffed at the thought of a 14 yr old at the masters.
this young kid threw it back in their face!
if there was a red button to follow this lad about i would have watched every shot! :thup:
an embarrassing day for golf! taking the shine off an out of this world performance!
with the psychological pressure he and his caddy were under it would be easy to lose minutes here and there. you have to remember they are trying to stay in the zone. they dont have time to smell the roses.
many big players scoffed at the thought of a 14 yr old at the masters.
this young kid threw it back in their face!
if there was a red button to follow this lad about i would have watched every shot! :thup:
Mr_T
Challenge Tour Pro
Re: Shot penalty... Outrageous.
Well at least it hasn't affected him too much as he's still here for the weekend!
To think that a 14 year old has the same score as Graeme McDowell and is only 1 behind Mickelson, a man who's won the green jacket 3 times is just astonishing! Don' think he can contend but would love to see him go out there and make a few birdies
It's scary to think how good he could be in a few years time when he can hit it as far as the big boys
Well at least it hasn't affected him too much as he's still here for the weekend!
To think that a 14 year old has the same score as Graeme McDowell and is only 1 behind Mickelson, a man who's won the green jacket 3 times is just astonishing! Don' think he can contend but would love to see him go out there and make a few birdiesIt's scary to think how good he could be in a few years time when he can hit it as far as the big boys
bluewolf
Money List Winner
Foxholer
Blackballed
Re: Shot penalty... Outrageous.
I'm afraid quite a few posts in this thread demonstrate and reflect the same erroneous attitudes to (accursed) slow play that are seen on courses and in clubhouses all over the country!
The PGA Tour has a policy that was applied in this case - as it no doubt is in all others. Yes, it's a shame it happened to this hugely talented player. Yes, there is an obvious reason for at least some of the problem. Here's the policy.
http://golf.about.com/od/tourmajorevents/f/pga-tour-slow-play-policy.htm
But it is completely daft, imo, to:
a) Think that because a particular group is waiting, then it is the group in front that is the cause
b) Think that the term 'out of position' is the same as 'lost a hole' - it doesn't!
c) Think the rules are not applied - consistently.
d) Think any rules are waived.
e) Think any Pro would use anything, other than his own golf, to affect another professional's game.
I'm afraid quite a few posts in this thread demonstrate and reflect the same erroneous attitudes to (accursed) slow play that are seen on courses and in clubhouses all over the country!
The PGA Tour has a policy that was applied in this case - as it no doubt is in all others. Yes, it's a shame it happened to this hugely talented player. Yes, there is an obvious reason for at least some of the problem. Here's the policy.
http://golf.about.com/od/tourmajorevents/f/pga-tour-slow-play-policy.htm
But it is completely daft, imo, to:
a) Think that because a particular group is waiting, then it is the group in front that is the cause
b) Think that the term 'out of position' is the same as 'lost a hole' - it doesn't!
c) Think the rules are not applied - consistently.
d) Think any rules are waived.
e) Think any Pro would use anything, other than his own golf, to affect another professional's game.
S
Snelly
Guest
Re: Shot penalty... Outrageous.
Shame to see a 14 year old kid get pulled for this and it would be an easy and in my view wrong, leap to make that there is a hidden agenda here, e.g. Young lad, from China, southern states, natural prejudice etc. He broke a rule and got pinged is all the story is. Still looks a bit dodgy though.
All that said, slow play is the biggest problem in golf and I'm delighted to see someone, anyone(!) get a tug for it. I wish it happened every week on all tours and especially to the big names who are just too slow. And the fact that it hasn't happened for such a long time leads to the simple and obvious conclusion that the rules on the tour are simply not strict enough and should be reexamined. Two pros should get around 18 holes in a maximum of 3 hours but today, it will be nearly 6 at Augusta. It is ridiculous, it's killing the game and I hate it.
And there will be some of you reading this that watch these snails and then to some extent, mimic their behaviour and contribute to this scourge of golf at club level. My view is that if your 4 ball can't get round in 4.15 hours then you are doing something wrong and should find another game to play.
And yes, I know it's not a race and I know you like to smell the flowers but that isn't the point. Be ready to actually hit the ball when it's your turn and you will fly round. To reiterate, be ready to actually hit the ball. That doesn't mean when it is your turn, be ready to go through your pointless 30 second per shot routine and then hit the ball.
And breathe........
Shame to see a 14 year old kid get pulled for this and it would be an easy and in my view wrong, leap to make that there is a hidden agenda here, e.g. Young lad, from China, southern states, natural prejudice etc. He broke a rule and got pinged is all the story is. Still looks a bit dodgy though.
All that said, slow play is the biggest problem in golf and I'm delighted to see someone, anyone(!) get a tug for it. I wish it happened every week on all tours and especially to the big names who are just too slow. And the fact that it hasn't happened for such a long time leads to the simple and obvious conclusion that the rules on the tour are simply not strict enough and should be reexamined. Two pros should get around 18 holes in a maximum of 3 hours but today, it will be nearly 6 at Augusta. It is ridiculous, it's killing the game and I hate it.
And there will be some of you reading this that watch these snails and then to some extent, mimic their behaviour and contribute to this scourge of golf at club level. My view is that if your 4 ball can't get round in 4.15 hours then you are doing something wrong and should find another game to play.
And yes, I know it's not a race and I know you like to smell the flowers but that isn't the point. Be ready to actually hit the ball when it's your turn and you will fly round. To reiterate, be ready to actually hit the ball. That doesn't mean when it is your turn, be ready to go through your pointless 30 second per shot routine and then hit the ball.
And breathe........
North Mimms
Tour Winner
Re: Shot penalty... Outrageous.
I'm glad that he made the cut- won't leave a nasty taste in the mouth.
I though he was very mature in his post game interview.
I really hope that this is the start of the PGA getting serious about slow play from all players, amateur or Pro
And that means You- Jason All Day - just cos there's no-one behind you doesn't mean you can take ages....
I'm glad that he made the cut- won't leave a nasty taste in the mouth.
I though he was very mature in his post game interview.
I really hope that this is the start of the PGA getting serious about slow play from all players, amateur or Pro
And that means You- Jason All Day - just cos there's no-one behind you doesn't mean you can take ages....
pendodave
Tour Rookie
Re: Shot penalty... Outrageous.
agreed re Day.
Can't avoid the irony that one of the world's slowest players is leading and hasn't been docked a shot. I suspect that the only difference between the boy and the rest is that he hasn't learned the excruciating art of playing on a geological time scale while playing the 'rules' to ensure no penalty is incurred.
Sadly, he'll learn that in time but almost certainly play no faster.
agreed re Day.
Can't avoid the irony that one of the world's slowest players is leading and hasn't been docked a shot. I suspect that the only difference between the boy and the rest is that he hasn't learned the excruciating art of playing on a geological time scale while playing the 'rules' to ensure no penalty is incurred.
Sadly, he'll learn that in time but almost certainly play no faster.
richy
Journeyman Pro
Re: Shot penalty... Outrageous.
The thing I want to know, is why players like taking forever to play their shots?
Surely your rhythm goes to pot if you're taking ages in-between shots.
The thing I want to know, is why players like taking forever to play their shots?
Surely your rhythm goes to pot if you're taking ages in-between shots.
North Mimms
Tour Winner
Re: Shot penalty... Outrageous.
I was doing some low level Marshalling at Ladies Euro Tour event last year and a couple of groups were put on the clock. Was standing by the timing official and she was documenting times on a sheet. I guess they have a precise procedure to follow and John Paramore will have noted when he spoke to the player
I was doing some low level Marshalling at Ladies Euro Tour event last year and a couple of groups were put on the clock. Was standing by the timing official and she was documenting times on a sheet. I guess they have a precise procedure to follow and John Paramore will have noted when he spoke to the player
JT77
Tour Winner
Re: Shot penalty... Outrageous.
I agree with you snelly, I played 16 holes yesterday in 2,30 hours and that was with some practice puts and additional drives or approach shots. Today is comp day so expecting at least 4.30 maybe longer but really hope not.
It's a shame that they picked out the 14 year old am though def easy target, as has been stated Jason all day is horrendous as is keegan Bradley to name a couple.
If this is the start of the clamp down then great, but I suspect not.
I agree with you snelly, I played 16 holes yesterday in 2,30 hours and that was with some practice puts and additional drives or approach shots. Today is comp day so expecting at least 4.30 maybe longer but really hope not.
It's a shame that they picked out the 14 year old am though def easy target, as has been stated Jason all day is horrendous as is keegan Bradley to name a couple.
If this is the start of the clamp down then great, but I suspect not.
