Theresa May - Not up to the Job of PM?

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Her smiles when under attack at PMQs today at times looked rather forced, rather fretful and not very convincing.

An observation that my wife made last night when the news showed May making a statement from maybe a year or so ago - is that, compared with then, Mrs May has not aged well...she is not looking great...

 

[dewsweeper]

Her smiles when under attack at PMQs today at times looked rather forced, rather fretful and not very convincing.

An observation that my wife made last night when the news showed May making a statement from maybe a year or so ago - is that, compared with then, Mrs May has not aged well...she is not looking great...

How has your wife aged?

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Well...

Though she'll no doubt survive the vote of confidence in her government tomorrow.

Not sure that indicates that she's up to the job - not after her primary piece of legislation - almost her raison d'etre as PM - has been defeated by 230 votes with 118 Tory MPs voting against their party leader and PM.

And bizarrely with such a defeat she'll feel she has a massive mandate t go back to the EU to ask/demand a better deal - though Hancock seemed unable to tell us what she'd have to ask for to get a better result next time around.

Interesting times...

 

[chrisd]

And bizarrely with such a defeat she'll feel she has a massive mandate t go back to the EU to ask/demand a better deal

Interesting times...

Perversely that is absolutely correct, the EU now has to renegotiate if they want a deal as a few tweeks will not get this deal through Parliament, in many ways it strengthens her hand should she have the balls to see it through.

 

[ger147]

Sorry, couldn't resist...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1085276716317200384

 

[ColchesterFC]

Well...

Though she'll no doubt survive the vote of confidence in her government tomorrow.

Not sure that indicates that she's up to the job - not after her primary piece of legislation - almost her raison d'etre as PM - has been defeated by 230 votes with 118 Tory MPs voting against their party leader and PM.

And bizarrely with such a defeat she'll feel she has a massive mandate t go back to the EU to ask/demand a better deal - though Hancock seemed unable to tell us what she'd have to ask for to get a better result next time around.

Interesting times...

Does the fact that both Leave and Remain have rejected her deal make her position stronger or weaker? And more importantly what does she go back to the EU with? Does she go back and try to renegotiate based on what Leave voters disliked about her deal or on what Remain voters disliked about her deal?

 

[Hacker Khan]

Does the fact that both Leave and Remain have rejected her deal make her position stronger or weaker? And more importantly what does she go back to the EU with? Does she go back and try to renegotiate based on what Leave voters disliked about her deal or on what Remain voters disliked about her deal?

And there lies the impossible conundrum that is virtually unsolvable. And the only way she will get anything through is by one side fearing that the other side could have most of their needs met that they vote for the compromise. So essentially it is politics of fear at its worst.

 

[Hobbit]

With such a slim majority, maybe she needs 2 Brexit ministers. One from the Tories and one nominated by the leader of the opposition.

 

[Imurg]

Does the fact that both Leave and Remain have rejected her deal make her position stronger or weaker? And more importantly what does she go back to the EU with? Does she go back and try to renegotiate based on what Leave voters disliked about her deal or on what Remain voters disliked about her deal?

In a way, she goes back to the EU with the "spectre" of No Deal looming over them.
There's not many in the EU saying " No Deal? Bring it on"
If the EU doesn't want us to leave without a deal they they have to start offering.
General consensus is that No Deal, for us, would hurt for a while but things will steady in time - is that right?
What will No Deal do to the rest of the EU..?
As none of them seem to want that, it seems it may hurt them more.....
So...how deep are their pockets...?

 

[Hobbit]

In a way, she goes back to the EU with the "spectre" of No Deal looming over them.
There's not many in the EU saying " No Deal? Bring it on"
If the EU doesn't want us to leave without a deal they they have to start offering.
General consensus is that No Deal, for us, would hurt for a while but things will steady in time - is that right?
What will No Deal do to the rest of the EU..?
As none of them seem to want that, it seems it may hurt them more.....
So...how deep are their pockets...?

How deep are their pockets when they haven't received the £39bn + £9bn a year?

 

[Imurg]

How deep are their pockets when they haven't received the £39bn + £9bn a year?

Maybe they have wide sleeves.....

 

[Hacker Khan]

In a way, she goes back to the EU with the "spectre" of No Deal looming over them.
There's not many in the EU saying " No Deal? Bring it on"
If the EU doesn't want us to leave without a deal they they have to start offering.
General consensus is that No Deal, for us, would hurt for a while but things will steady in time - is that right?
What will No Deal do to the rest of the EU..?
As none of them seem to want that, it seems it may hurt them more.....
So...how deep are their pockets...?

I'd argue that is a bit of a all encompassing statement. Type it into google and you get a variety of links, this being the 1st https://www.politico.eu/article/how-no-deal-brexit-would-hit-uk-economy/ Plus there is the governments forecasts that came out recently that was not pretty. And not sure what it would say about us as a trusted trading partner to any future partners if we can't negotiate a deal. And you can add the potential trouble in Ireland to that if a hard border came into force. I'd take relative peace in Ireland if it meant staying in the EU every day of the week.

But they are all forecasts and people can take them how they want, often depending on their view of Brexit. But the statement that a no deal would hurt the EU more is very questionable I would say. Essentially we will both be hurt and to use an analogy, claiming you have only lost one leg as a victory if another person has lost 2 is not the best outcome. We may lose 2 and them 1 or vice versa, but either is not great and I'd argue not a great way of progressing as a society.

 

[Colonel Bogey]

Mrs May, apparently, has no plan B, and still thinks hers is the best option, so will not bother with negotiations and just put her deal forward again. (Nick thingy m'blob).

 

[Hacker Khan]

Mrs May, apparently, has no plan B, and still thinks hers is the best option, so will not bother with negotiations and just put her deal forward again. (Nick thingy m'blob).

Faldo, Cage, Nolte, Offerman??? Mind you, if Ron Swanson did say that then I'd believe it every day of the week.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Faldo, Cage, Nolte, Offerman??? Mind you, if Ron Swanson did say that then I'd believe it every day of the week.

Ron Swanson for PM, . That's a man I could vote for

 

[Mudball]

Sorry to dig this out.. In the past Maybot has got some sympathies from me on the Brexit poisonous chalice she inherited. But increasingly i see her being more and more incompetent. As one of them mentioned, she has an 'immigrant problem'.
But yesterday, listening to her on knife crime was atrocious. To claim that reduction in police numbers is nothing to do with rise in knife crime is atrocious. While I understand 'correlation does not mean causality' in statistics, but this one is past being bleeding obvious.
As she always does, very good to see her do a U-turn and suddenly 'listened to the people' after the media and social media gave her a lot of grief.

Currently she is (just) sitting above Chris Grayling in my book of competence

 

[drdel]

Sorry to dig this out.. In the past Maybot has got some sympathies from me on the Brexit poisonous chalice she inherited. But increasingly i see her being more and more incompetent. As one of them mentioned, she has an 'immigrant problem'.
But yesterday, listening to her on knife crime was atrocious. To claim that reduction in police numbers is nothing to do with rise in knife crime is atrocious. While I understand 'correlation does not mean causality' in statistics, but this one is past being bleeding obvious.
As she always does, very good to see her do a U-turn and suddenly 'listened to the people' after the media and social media gave her a lot of grief.

Currently she is (just) sitting above Chris Grayling in my book of competence

Not sure the numbers of cops are correlated to the RISE in knife crime; probably influences the catching/conviction rate.

IMO its more related to a society with drug money dragging youngster into gangs and the general culture of disrespect: which may be related to cops on the street but I'm not sure its that simple.

 

[Tashyboy]

Sorry to dig this out.. In the past Maybot has got some sympathies from me on the Brexit poisonous chalice she inherited. But increasingly i see her being more and more incompetent. As one of them mentioned, she has an 'immigrant problem'.
But yesterday, listening to her on knife crime was atrocious. To claim that reduction in police numbers is nothing to do with rise in knife crime is atrocious. While I understand 'correlation does not mean causality' in statistics, but this one is past being bleeding obvious.
As she always does, very good to see her do a U-turn and suddenly 'listened to the people' after the media and social media gave her a lot of grief.

Currently she is (just) sitting above Chris Grayling in my book of competence

Oh bless ya Muddy for bringing this up coz you have set me off on a rant. Took daughter and a workmate to Sheffield today on a liquid bonding session. Folk on here know what daughter does as employment. Anyway i asked her mate his thoughts on knife crime, middle class druggies, less bobbies on the beat etc etc. He said “ missis may if on fire would not be extinguished by the bladder off a bobby” she as home secretary slashed bobbies numbers. So for her to say the reduction in bobbies has helped to contribute to increased violent crime makes her look like a grade one ***. Which she is. Thank god she has nowt big to deal with. 🤔

 

[Hacker Khan]

Sorry to dig this out.. In the past Maybot has got some sympathies from me on the Brexit poisonous chalice she inherited. But increasingly i see her being more and more incompetent. As one of them mentioned, she has an 'immigrant problem'.
But yesterday, listening to her on knife crime was atrocious. To claim that reduction in police numbers is nothing to do with rise in knife crime is atrocious. While I understand 'correlation does not mean causality' in statistics, but this one is past being bleeding obvious.
As she always does, very good to see her do a U-turn and suddenly 'listened to the people' after the media and social media gave her a lot of grief.

Currently she is (just) sitting above Chris Grayling in my book of competence

She took/was handed a poisoned chalice and since then has not even met the extremely low expectations I had of her and her government. Still, 3 weeks to go so plenty of time to score a last minute extra time winner

 

[drdel]

Oh bless ya Muddy for bringing this up coz you have set me off on a rant. Took daughter and a workmate to Sheffield today on a liquid bonding session. Folk on here know what daughter does as employment. Anyway i asked her mate his thoughts on knife crime, middle class druggies, less bobbies on the beat etc etc. He said “ missis may if on fire would not be extinguished by the bladder off a bobby” she as home secretary slashed bobbies numbers. So for her to say the reduction in bobbies has helped to contribute to increased violent crime makes her look like a grade one ***. Which she is. Thank god she has nowt big to deal with. 🤔

You might need to go way back when Gordon Brown spent all the bloody money and stuck us in a level of debt that we're only just seeing the end of a dam long tunnel.