Theresa May - Not up to the Job of PM?

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

It is suggested that whilst Theresa May has said that she would not lead the Tory Party into the next General Election she then added - in 2022. But that statement does not exclude her from leading the party into any snap election that she might calls between now and then. In any case - not leading the Tories into a 2022 election is a long time from now - and not immediately after 29th March 2019.

 

[ger147]

It is suggested that whilst Theresa May has said that she would not lead the Tory Party into the next General Election she then added - in 2022. But that statement does not exclude her from leading the party into any snap election that she might calls between now and then. In any case - not leading the Tories into a 2022 election is a long time from now - and not immediately after 29th March 2019.

1) Who is suggesting it?
2) She also said she wouldn't call a snap general election.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

It is suggested that whilst Theresa May has said that she would not lead the Tory Party into the next General Election she then added - in 2022. But that statement does not exclude her from leading the party into any snap election that she might calls between now and then. In any case - not leading the Tories into a 2022 election is a long time from now - and not immediately after 29th March 2019.

I think that would be outrage within the party if she tried that one. She bought off her MP's by stating she would not stand. If she used semantics to get out of that I think she would have cabinet resignations en masse as it would shatter her credibility further, what is left of it. If the voters see the party in fighting during an election they will desert them in droves.

I am amazed she stated she would resign. History shows that power deserts you the minute that happens. She has to give the new leader time to bed in so she will constantly be asked when it will happen. She must be the lamest of all lame duck PM's.

 

[ger147]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46547832

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I will have missed any clarifications she might have made today that disambiguated what she said last night...maybe all is clear now - and the next GE is not specific to 2022.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

I'm guessing 2022 came up as that is theoretically the next election date based on the 5 year term.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I'm guessing 2022 came up as that is theoretically the next election date based on the 5 year term.

The latest report I have (just) heard is still reporting specific to 2022. Maybe she has said she won't call a snap GE - but if late January / early February things are still unresolved and the government falls or decides there is no other way out - then we might well have to have a snap GE and May will be Tory Party leader. Clearly today she'll not even be contemplating such a possibility, and so her 2022 commitment applies and her snap GE pledge is - at the moment - 100% valid.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

BBC News - Brexit: Theresa May won't lead Conservatives into next election http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46547832

link not working...

 

[ger147]

link not working...

I'm sure you can find your way to the BBC News website without a chaperone...

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Has May categorically said she will not fight another general election. I frankly don't care if she does or doesn't - but I suspect that she will - and it might well be called late January early February...once her deal is rejected by the HoC and she is still Prime Minister and Leader of the Conservative Party.

And not surprisingly it sounds like she has got nowhere yesterday...in fact her Brexit Means Brexit meaningless mantra comes back to bite her when the EU27 leaders ask her 'just what do you want?' because Brexit Means Brexit means nothing until it is defined and written down. And if the Lancaster House speech is it - then the EU and the EU27 leaders will just shrug and tell her - simply was never possible - and we told you and you knew it from the very start.

But gamely she ploughs on as if there is something out there that will satisfy Johnson and the ERGists if only she can get her hands on it without the horn spearing her.

 

[ger147]

Has May categorically said she will not fight another general election. I frankly don't care if she does or doesn't - but I suspect that she will - and it might well be called late January early February...once her deal is rejected by the HoC and she is still Prime Minister and Leader of the Conservative Party.

Yes she has, she is on film saying so and I posted a link for you to the BBC News website with the footage of her saying exactly that.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Yes she has, she is on film saying so and I posted a link for you to the BBC News website with the footage of her saying exactly that.

Quote (my bold): The next General Election is in 2022 and I think it is right that a new party leader takes us into that General Election.

 

[ger147]

Quote (my bold): The next General Election is in 2022 and I think it is right that a new party leader takes us into that General Election.

And what did she say immediately before that?

 

[ger147]

Here's a clue for you...

Mrs May said: "I've said that in my heart I would love to be able to lead the Conservative Party into the next general election but I think it is right that the party feels that they would prefer to go into that election with another leader."

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Here's a clue for you...

Mrs May said: "I've said that in my heart I would love to be able to lead the Conservative Party into the next general election but I think it is right that the party feels that they would prefer to go into that election with another leader."

yes - and then she stated The next General Election is in 2022 and I think it is right that a new party leader takes us into that General Election.

And we both know that that ain't necessarily so. What happens if she feels that she needs to call a GE in February? Does she stand down immediately and the Tories have a leadership contest immediately prior to a General Election?

I frankly don't care. But I was interested in her choice of words. Is she trying to give herself a little wriggle room?

 

[ger147]

yes - and then she stated The next General Election is in 2022 and I think it is right that a new party leader takes us into that General Election.

And we both know that that ain't necessarily so. What happens if she feels that she needs to call a GE in February? Does she stand down immediately and the Tories have a leadership contest immediately prior to a General Election?

I frankly don't care. But I was interested in her choice of words. Is she trying to give herself a little wriggle room?

No - the first statement was in answer to a question "will she lead the Tories into another GE." The 2nd statement was in reply to a question about would she stand down on 29th March. But of course you already know that if you've watched the footage.

Not exactly sure what exactly you're trying to prove. You asked a question, I kindly answered for you, including pointing you at the video where the woman in question said she would not lead the Tories into the next GE.

So to re-iterate, in answer to your original question, yes TM did state she would not lead the Tories into the next GE.

 

[Reemul]

And yet if a GE is called early next year I reckon she will want to run. She will say I have a mandate for the next year by winning the confidence vote so there.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

No - the first statement was in answer to a question "will she lead the Tories into another GE." The 2nd statement was in reply to a question about would she stand down on 29th March. But of course you already know that if you've watched the footage.

Not exactly sure what exactly you're trying to prove. You asked a question, I kindly answered for you, including pointing you at the video where the woman in question said she would not lead the Tories into the next GE.

So to re-iterate, in answer to your original question, yes TM did state she would not lead the Tories into the next GE.

I am not trying to prove anything. Taking your advice I have listened again to the video, and to me it is quite clear that she avoided answering the question about whether she would leave immediately after the 29th March.

May was asked:

Does that mean you will leave immediately after Brexit - do you have a date in mind.

And May answered:

No ...people try to talk about dates - what I am clear about is that the next General Election is in 2022 and I think it is right that a new party leader takes us into that General Election.

 

[ger147]

I am not trying to prove anything. Taking your advice I have listened again to the video, and to me it is quite clear that she avoided answering the question about whether she would leave immediately after the 29th March.

May was asked:

Does that mean you will leave immediately after Brexit - do you have a date in mind.

And May answered:

No ...people try to talk about dates - what I am clear about is that the next General Election is in 2022 and I think it is right that a new party leader takes us into that General Election.

Of course she avoided answering that question, as would absolutely every PM in that situation. Do you seriously think she would announce the date of her resignation as PM to a BBC News reporter while at an EU summit trying to sort out Brexit?

But that does NOT change the fact that she stated she would not lead the Conservative party into the next general election, which was the question you asked and I answered.

 

[Hobbit]

Of course she avoided answering that question, as would absolutely every PM in that situation. Do you seriously think she would announce the date of her resignation as PM to a BBC News reporter while at an EU summit trying to sort out Brexit?

But that does NOT change the fact that she stated she would not lead the Conservative party into the next general election, which was the question you asked and I answered.

Even common courtesy would suggest she'll tell her party first. And there's also the issue that as soon as she gives a date the Tory hopefuls will switch to serious campaigning, and the in-fighting and bargaining will ramp up.