Theresa May - Not up to the Job of PM?

[drdel]

I am not trying to prove anything. Taking your advice I have listened again to the video, and to me it is quite clear that she avoided answering the question about whether she would leave immediately after the 29th March.

May was asked:

Does that mean you will leave immediately after Brexit - do you have a date in mind.

And May answered:

No ...people try to talk about dates - what I am clear about is that the next General Election is in 2022 and I think it is right that a new party leader takes us into that General Election.

On this precise point I agree with SILH. She clearly made reference in the sentence to "that" election in 2022. If there was a GE forced by Parliament before 2022 she would feel there was unfinished business and, IMO, would wish to stay on.

 

[ger147]

On this precise point I agree with SILH. She clearly made reference in the sentence to "that" election in 2022. If there was a GE forced by Parliament before 2022 she would feel there was unfinished business and, IMO, would wish to stay on.

And she clearly made reference to the NEXT general election in the statement before when she was confirming she wouldn't lead the Tories into the next GE without any reference to 2022.

Watch the video...

 

[Hobbit]

On this precise point I agree with SILH. She clearly made reference in the sentence to "that" election in 2022. If there was a GE forced by Parliament before 2022 she would feel there was unfinished business and, IMO, would wish to stay on.

"She's behind you!" Is it panto season?

The Tories are smart enough to know they won't win the next election if she's in the chair. If a no confidence vote is called in the House, which led to a snap election I expect the Tories will have a swift change of leader.

 

[ger147]

"She's behind you!" Is it panto season?

The Tories are smart enough to know they won't win the next election if she's in the chair. If a no confidence vote is called in the House, which led to a snap election I expect the Tories will have a swift change of leader.

It's what you get for trying to post facts, you know how unpopular they are round here...

When it comes to opinions, I haven't the foggiest idea what TM will actually do but there is no doubt she stated for the BBC cameras when asked that she will not lead the Tories into the next general election.

 

[Hacker Khan]

She's on borrowed time and will be gone soon. As soon as someone announces they won't be around to fight the next election they are history. She will probably stay on during the Brexit omnishambes of the next 3 months as no one in their right mind will want to take over during that period. But after that she'll be gone no matter what the outcome is.

Her legacy will be of a flawed but tenacious fighter in difficult political times against the divisive factions in the tory party. She made some silly mistakes when it came to the timing of key events in the Brexit process, but her main enemy was not the EU but the Tory party itself. And she'll go down as yet another tory leader brought down by the issue of Europe.

 

[larmen]

It’s time the tory’s had a purge, get back to one united party ideal ... actually labour should do the same .. might mean the people’s views are captured better.

Thats my issue with UK politics.

You have 2 ‘semi finals’ where right wing conservatives are edging out centre leaning conservatives, and you have left wing labour which edges out centre leaning labour.
In the ‘final’ there is a vote left versus right, and I think a lot of people would just like the middle but there is no option.

A 3rd party that wasn’t the minority party in a torry government that increased the student fees, or that isn’t championed by Blair might be needed.

 

[Hacker Khan]

Thats my issue with UK politics.

You have 2 ‘semi finals’ where right wing conservatives are edging out centre leaning conservatives, and you have left wing labour which edges out centre leaning labour.
In the ‘final’ there is a vote left versus right, and I think a lot of people would just like the middle but there is no option.

A 3rd party that wasn’t the minority party in a torry government that increased the student fees, or that isn’t championed by Blair might be needed.

Proportional representation? May well end up with more minority governments but it would ensure the increasingly disparate views are represented.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Proportional representation? May well end up with more minority governments but it would ensure the increasingly disparate views are represented.

Yes but that would mean Westminster moving towards a more modern representative democratic UK society, Labour and Tories parties/MP's would never vote for that. They like the two horse gravy train race.

 

[MegaSteve]

Proportional representation? May well end up with more minority governments but it would ensure the increasingly disparate views are represented.

Haven't we already had our 'once in a lifetime' vote on that?

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Haven't we already had our 'once in a lifetime' vote on that?

Yes, but it was at least 2 years ago so that means we are due another . Lifetimes are very short now don't you know.

 

[harpo_72]

Yes, but it was at least 2 years ago so that means we are due another . Lifetimes are very short now don't you know.

For butterflies I think in some cases it’s only a day ....bit like some warranties

 

[larmen]

Haven't we already had our 'once in a lifetime' vote on that?

Wasn't that referendum about 1st past the post versus single transferable vote?

Anyway, my problem is not the voting system, but that because parties go to the extreme end the people that like middle don't have an option to vote for.

 

[SocketRocket]

Wasn't that referendum about 1st past the post versus single transferable vote?

Anyway, my problem is not the voting system, but that because parties go to the extreme end the people that like middle don't have an option to vote for.

Lib Dems are not fairing well with that one.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

What on earth is going on with the Prime Minister? This is madness (Corbyn running her very close at the moment). Could also be posted in the Brexit - The Musical thread.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Proportional representation? May well end up with more minority governments but it would ensure the increasingly disparate views are represented.

We have PR in Scotland, seems to work very well, a fair balance of support for the political parties that the public voted for.
It is certainly miles better than that two party yahh boo rubbish at Westminster. A system that is so broken it has brought us to where we are today.

In Scotland there are some drawbacks in that the quality of some of the unelected opposition list members, some can be truly awful.
For example the Tories have an absolutely clueless leading 'spokesmen' who actually finished FOURTH in his constituency vote, behind the Greens, Lib Dems, Labour and SNP. They also have a leading 'front bencher' who has NEVER stood for election to win a public vote but has remained as a list MSP for over 10 years.
Labour generally list promote union leader types who are still stuck in the 1970's

 

[Lord Tyrion]

We have PR in Scotland, seems to work ok, certainly miles better than that two party yahh boo rubbish at Westminster.

There are some drawbacks in that the quality of some of the opposition list members can be truly awful.
The Tories have an absolutely clueless leading 'spokesmen' who actually finished FOURTH in his constituency vote. Behind the Greens, Lib Dems, Labour and SNP

That system enabled Neil Hamilton to be elected to the Welsh Assembly, shudders . No system is perfect. It is about which is the least worse option.

 

[Hobbit]

What on earth is going on with the Prime Minister? This is madness (Corbyn running her very close at the moment). Could also be posted in the Brexit - The Musical thread.

I don't think he is running her very close at the moment. I think he's bottled it in the last week. May pulling the vote was disgraceful, and hugely disrespectful to every single MP of all flavours. John Berscow made it very clear what he thought of the PM pulling the vote. That was a huge slap down, and Corbyn hasn't made the best of it.

I do wonder if he doesn't want to do anything that supports May's position n Brexit for 2 reasons. 1) Obviously he wants Labour in power, but equally 2) he has always been against the EU. I wouldn't be surprised if he wants No Deal. Having May stay in power but without a Deal plays into his hands.

 

[drdel]

I don't think he is running her very close at the moment. I think he's bottled it in the last week. May pulling the vote was disgraceful, and hugely disrespectful to every single MP of all flavours. John Berscow made it very clear what he thought of the PM pulling the vote. That was a huge slap down, and Corbyn hasn't made the best of it.

I do wonder if he doesn't want to do anything that supports May's position n Brexit for 2 reasons. 1) Obviously he wants Labour in power, but equally 2) he has always been against the EU. I wouldn't be surprised if he wants No Deal. Having May stay in power but without a Deal plays into his hands.

I actually think that pulling the vote was a good tactic: faced with the evidence of losing the vote. It bought time with the EU and with Cabinet.

I agree with your points 1 and 2.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I actually think that pulling the vote was a good tactic: faced with the evidence of losing the vote. It bought time with the EU and with Cabinet.

I agree with your points 1 and 2.

And May persists with the line that she'll come back to parliament on 7th January 2019 with a clarified and better agreement with the EU. And this is despite everything that everyone to do with the EU negotiations and the leading ministers of the EU27 is saying. Yet still she persists. What is it they say about folks who repeatedly do the same thing and expect a different outcome? Well. You never know.

 

[Hobbit]

And May persists with the line that she'll come back to parliament on 7th January 2019 with a clarified and better agreement with the EU. And this is despite everything that everyone to do with the EU negotiations and the leading ministers of the EU27 is saying. Yet still she persists. What is it they say about folks who repeatedly do the same thing and expect a different outcome? Well. You never know.

The good thing is whatever she brings to Parliament on the 7th Jan is only advisory, not binding on the UK unless its accepted. The 7th Jan will reveal whether or not she's being circumspect with the truth.