Theresa May - Not up to the Job of PM?

[Tashyboy]

Open question of which i dont know if there is an answer.
If May is not the person to lead us out of europe. Who is the better person who will unite everyone.

 

[Old Skier]

Harry Rednapp

 

[Tashyboy]

Harry Rednapp

Sometimes the answer is right in front of you. 😁

 

[Lord Tyrion]

I don't think we can be united on this issue, it is too divisive and far reaching. What it needs, imo, is someone who is decisive and will follow their vision through. I may or may not agree with that vision but at least they will drive it through. A large part of the problem, for me, is the wishy washy approach we have had so far.

 

[chrisd]

Harry Rednapp

He'd just spend loads of money, get no results and then the sack (very much like Corbyn then)

 

[Foxholer]

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Obviously another one of your opinions expressed as facts more like.

Just like every 'non-quote' in any news article or, more to the point, post on this thread!

Open question of which i dont know if there is an answer.
If May is not the person to lead us out of europe. Who is the better person who will unite everyone.

If there had been an obvious and competent alternative candidate, then I'm certain May (as a Remainer) would not have won the leadership!

 

[Dellboy]

Open question of which i dont know if there is an answer.
If May is not the person to lead us out of europe. Who is the better person who will unite everyone.

May should step down, you can’t have someone who doesn’t believe in Brexit leading the country out of the EU, as to who should be in charge, any ture brexit MP would be fine with me, they just need to get us out now without paying the EU a dam penny.

 

[Tashyboy]

I am not to sure that a brexiteer would be the right person to lead the Party/ Country out of the EU. At least with a remainer its looks like there trying to get some kind of a deal. A deal that its seems people from
All parties, left and right wingers don’t want. Still think that as it is, no deal is the nearest we will get to any deal. From a EU point of view. Saw a piece yeaterday that said the UK would be paying £15 Billion a year after a 6 billion rebate from 2021. 15 BILLION. No deal sounds good to Tashyboy only bettered by not being in the EU. Crack on Missis May.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

So you KNOW its faux frustration and confected anger do you? You have inside knowledge that its not genuine? She's phoned you and told you its all for effect has she?

Obviously another one of your opinions expressed as facts more like.

Of course it's my opinion and not fact. The impression I get from May on almost all things is one of inauthenticity...and is it not the case that it is often simply the impression that we form of leading politicians from what they say and how they say it that matters to us. In much the same way I think of Corbyn.

 

[Hobbit]

Of course it's my opinion and not fact. The impression I get from May on almost all things is one of inauthenticity...and is it not the case that it is often simply the impression that we form of leading politicians from what they say and how they say it that matters to us. In much the same way I think of Corbyn.

Barnier made great noises 2 weeks ago about being almost there on a deal, including customs checks away from the border in NI. Several of the EU PM's also made good noises about a breakthrough and that a deal looked on the cards by November. May was disgustingly ambushed in Salzburg. That ambush, and that's being gentle, was highly unprofessional for high ranking politicians.

Faux frustration and confected anger? Oh for god's sake get real!!! Its one thing for the EU to hold fast on their red lines, totally understand and accept that, but to speak as they did two weeks ago then ambush May last week... sorry but however you want to colour it with your EU tinted glasses it was a disgusting piece of work. I'd gladly walk away now, and withhold the €39bn. If they want to behave so unethically I'd have no qualms in telling them to whistle for their €39bn.

 

[drdel]

Barnier made great noises 2 weeks ago about being almost there on a deal, including customs checks away from the border in NI. Several of the EU PM's also made good noises about a breakthrough and that a deal looked on the cards by November. May was disgustingly ambushed in Salzburg. That ambush, and that's being gentle, was highly unprofessional for high ranking politicians.

Faux frustration and confected anger? Oh for god's sake get real!!! Its one thing for the EU to hold fast on their red lines, totally understand and accept that, but to speak as they did two weeks ago then ambush May last week... sorry but however you want to colour it with your EU tinted glasses it was a disgusting piece of work. I'd gladly walk away now, and withhold the €39bn. If they want to behave so unethically I'd have no qualms in telling them to whistle for their €39bn.

I think you're spot-on. In my view it is totally unprofessional when (so-called) negotiators start rabbiting on social media, etc. These guys are playing a game for 'private' reasons that have little to do with the benefits of the citizens of the EU27. Raab and Davis before him reported how it did not seem that Barnier or Tusk were treating the talks seriously. They have suggested nothing.

I've said before but a read of Yanis Varoufakis "Adults in the Room" will show he pretty much predicted the sadly sorry mess of the EU's approach.

 

[Mudball]

Whats the verdict on her Conference speech? Dont know if she is human or a bot but she is definitely cross with BoJo... Did not expect her to dance to Abba.. who would have thought that Maybot can put on a funny act... (i wonder how much training went into the dance and the opening jokes). Back on the subject.... 'End to Austerity!!!!'

 

[Lord Tyrion]

My eyes are still burning. The pain, the pain . I like the concept, always good for a politician to laugh at themselves but boy it was hard to watch.

An end to austerity. A good soundbite but whether that is true or not we will see come the next budget. She badly needs to grab control of her govt, create some good news as everything is currently spiralling away from her. If TM was to leave tomorrow what would her legacy be, what policy would you say, TM did that, well done? Nothing that I can think of and she needs that to change.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Well it seems to me that Theresa May is simply being PM one day at a time - basically doing whatever she has to do each day to keep going and keep the attack dogs of her own party at bay as best she can - even if that means storing up issues for later. Not really what a PM should be doing. But what to do about her?

I heard written that one strategy being discussed in the circles of Tory MPs who hate what she is doing on Brexit - but knowing that a Tory Party Leadership contest could be terrible at this point in the Brexit negotiations - would be to keep her as leader of the Tory Party but appoint a.n.other to be Prime Minister - apparently there is nothing stopping any party doing that.

And many would have Dave Davies to be 'just the man' to be tough with the EU in closing stages of the negotiations - his apparent failure to agree anything as SoS for DExEU was - they say - not his fault but down to May blocking his every brilliant plan and negotiating strategy.

Oh good grief.

Brexit - Oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive.

 

[ger147]

Well it seems to me that Theresa May is simply being PM one day at a time - basically doing whatever she has to do each day to keep going and keep the attack dogs of her own party at bay as best she can - even if that means storing up issues for later. Not really what a PM should be doing. But what to do about her?

I heard written that one strategy being discussed in the circles of Tory MPs who hate what she is doing on Brexit - but knowing that a Tory Party Leadership contest could be terrible at this point in the Brexit negotiations - would be to keep her as leader of the Tory Party but appoint a.n.other to be Prime Minister - apparently there is nothing stopping any party doing that.

And many would have Dave Davies to be 'just the man' to be tough with the EU in closing stages of the negotiations - his apparent failure to agree anything as SoS for DExEU was - they say - not his fault but down to May blocking his every brilliant plan and negotiating strategy.

Oh good grief.

Brexit - Oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive.

There is absolutely NO CHANCE of Theresa May being removed as PM and staying on as Tory party leader, it's either both or neither. Anyone thinking any different needs to go and see their GP...

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

There is absolutely NO CHANCE of Theresa May being removed as PM and staying on as Tory party leader, it's either both or neither. Anyone thinking any different needs to go and see their GP...

Well it appears that some Brextremists are actually thinking that way - and my understanding is that to be PM all you have to be is an MP and to be able to command a majority in the Commons - but the PM does not have to be leader of the majority party.

But I would certainly agree that they perhaps need to visit their GP as they are verging on the insane

 

[Lord Tyrion]

There is a difference between theory and reality. In theory SilH is correct. In the real world ger147 is correct. The real world tends to win.

 

[Foxholer]

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But I would certainly agree that they perhaps need to visit their GP as they are verging on the insane

So not their GP then!

 

[ger147]

Well it appears that some Brextremists are actually thinking that way - and my understanding is that to be PM all you have to be is an MP and to be able to command a majority in the Commons - but the PM does not have to be leader of the majority party.

But I would certainly agree that they perhaps need to visit their GP as they are verging on the insane

According to Conservative party rules, any Conservative PM has to be the leader of the party and the leader of the party also has to be an MP. So as far as the Tories are concerned, your understanding is wrong. And I'm sure if I know that the Tory MP's also know that.

Would love to know what your source is for thinking others are having those thoughts re. May.

Say Hi to your GP for me when you pop in...

 

[ger147]

There is a difference between theory and reality. In theory SilH is correct. In the real world ger147 is correct. The real world tends to win.

Tory party rules do not permit anyone but the leader of the Tory party being the Tory PM.