Theresa May - Not up to the Job of PM?

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Not possible as previously advised, and EVERY Tory MP knows it, not matter how eurosceptic... #fakenews

Fake News is when someone reports something that did not happen...

And yes I now know that it is not possible under current Tory Party rules - you have most kindly advised me - but that was not mentioned in the report that I heard. I simply mentioned here what I heard reported as it was reported as reflecting the desperation that at least one Tory MP feels about May and the need to get rid of her as PM.

#notfakenews

 

[ger147]

Fake News is when someone reports something that did not happen...

Precisely - you did not hear what you claim to have heard.

 

[Old Skier]

Precisely - you did not hear what you claim to have heard.

No change there then.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

No change there then.

Well if you think that I am spinning a yarn then fine - nothing I can do about that.

 

[Old Skier]

Well if you think that I am spinning a yarn then fine - nothing I can do about that.

Where have I accused you of spinning a yarn. You don't spin yarns, just your continued ability to post on subjects and when it's proven to be rubbish you are very quick to attribute it to someone else. Your barber really must up his game.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Where have I accused you of spinning a yarn. You don't spin yarns, just your continued ability to post on subjects and when it's proven to be rubbish you are very quick to attribute it to someone else. Your barber really must up his game.

yaaawn

BTW - I think my barber has gone back to France

 

[Old Skier]

yaaawn

BTW - I think my barber has gone back to France

Easy way to find out. How longs your hair.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Easy way to find out. How longs your hair.

It was cut by an English girl - my French barber's Algerian and Jordanian colleagues being busy.

 

[badgb21]

If these latest reports on the deal are correct, then she needs to step down IMO.
This sounds bad for both sides. Lost her spine.
Perhaps she could read her party's manifesto and perhaps recall some of her own earlier speeches.

 

[User62651]

May seems stuck between a rock and hard place. Could never keep her party or populace happy with this.

Leavers and remainers don't like any compromise deal yet a compromise of some kind was always on the cards in the real world.

It doesn't appear she can get this deal through commons as it is but she'll take it one step at a time, if she can firstly get main cabinet members united behind it today she moves forward, if some top ministers resign then she must be nearly done. If a few junior ministers resign don't think that'll matter.
Anyway who takes over? - still up to Tory 1922 committee to choose with a Tory party who are still majority remainers who will not let Johnson or Gove in.
If it ends up in a GE still think Tories will beat Labour under Corbyn so back to square one.

Interesting to see the different approach Johnson and Gove are taking, they were both front men for leave 2 years ago and one now is full on opposed to and other is towing PMs line, but both want to be PM.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

May seems stuck between a rock and hard place. Could never keep her party or populace happy with this.

Leavers and remainers don't like any compromise deal yet a compromise of some kind was always on the cards in the real world.

It doesn't appear she can get this deal through commons as it is but she'll take it one step at a time, if she can firstly get main cabinet members united behind it today she moves forward, if some top ministers resign then she must be nearly done. If a few junior ministers resign don't think that'll matter.
Anyway who takes over? - still up to Tory 1922 committee to choose with a Tory party who are still majority remainers who will not let Johnson or Gove in.
If it ends up in a GE still think Tories will beat Labour under Corbyn so back to square one.

Interesting to see the different approach Johnson and Gove are taking, they were both front men for leave 2 years ago and one now is full on opposed to and other is towing PMs line, but both want to be PM.

Tories will win an election but I cannot see them having a majority.
If NI get a better deal out of it than Scotland then we are locked on for Indyref 2 in Scotland.
And of course the bonus of Viceroy Mundell resigning...that is if he is a man of his word.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Let's see how may rows back from the Brexit means Brexit; Red White and Blue Brexit; and most pertinently No Deal is better than a Bad Deal.

Meanwhile her most vociferous opponents spout 'Will of the People' and 'Vassal State' nonsense when asked their view on what they think May has come up with.

When they cannot define the first - as it means whatever you want it to mean as Brexit is not defined anywhere; and to be able to spout the latter with any degree of authenticity you have to understand the regulatory frameworks and laws that would make that so. And whilst I'd like to hear JR-M or Johnson just try - they would bluster and dissemble - but ask your typical voter what precisely about May's deal would make the UK a Vassal State of the EU I think that most would struggle.

When JR-M spouts his cod-intellectual waffle about UK becoming a Vassal State he harks back to medieval times and the feudal system when the common man had very few if any freedoms.

Let's not forget however that whilst serfs were subordinate to Knights, the feudal system meant that being a vassal subordinate to another did not imply lack of freedom of thought and action by the vassal. Ask any Lord - after all they were vassal to the King - but still had plenty of power and freedom to do whatever they wanted.

UK a Vassal State? - well maybe - and maybe not a bad thing.

May has to somehow counter the bluster of such as JR-M, ID-S, Grayling, Leadsom, Jenkin and Johnson

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Well - under caller questioning this morning on Nick Ferrari's morning show on LBC - May kept calm and carried on. We learnt nothing more than what she has said time and again over the last two days. But at least for her supporters she didn't hit an iceberg.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Is she got what it takes to be PM? Or is she like Gordie Broon - competent and totally comfortable in a very senior government role - but basically just not up to the job of PM.
...
I actually did have hopes for TM - but not sure she is up to it.

I asked this question one week short of two years ago - oh how time has flown...

Well the Tory Party faithful clearly thought so as they elected her. So we have only them to thank if she is doing great - and only them to blame if we have our doubts about Mrs May.

Now then - how is she doing...?

 

[SocketRocket]

I asked this question one week short of two years ago - oh how time has flown...

Well the Tory Party faithful clearly thought so as they elected her. So we have only them to thank if she is doing great - and only them to blame if we have our doubts about Mrs May.

Now then - how is she doing...?

Who do you think they should have made leader. Boris?

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Latest story line from 'a Tory Spokesman' is that the new PM Liddington will form a coalition with the SNP.
Wow, what are those guys on.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Who do you think they should have made leader. Boris?

Well he it is whom they seem to love - him or Rees-Mogg (God help us and give Tory Party faithful the foresight to realise that both will lead us to chaos).

But since you asked - I'd now have Sajid Javid or Amber Rudd - maybe even Gove. Liddington I just don't get - he just doesn't smell of authenticity to my senses. My MP Jeremy Hunt? As much as I know he is a nice enough guy - he frankly seems just a bit wet and seemingly too subservient to May. That none of them were standing for leader IIRC after Cameron bu****ed-off tells me of the utter paucity of decent leadership candidates at the time. Gove would have been my choice back then of an awful bunch.

 

[User62651]

So May has despatched her best ministers to the corners of the UK to drum up support for her deal. How does that work when the ones who can make a difference are the MPs in London?
Does she think there's going to be a mad rush of Joe Blogg's phoning up their MPs demanding they back her deal next week? Don't quite understand this move.

Beginning to wonder if she actually wants out now, her refusal to listen to her own advisers saying delay Tuesday's vote is odd, like she knows she's going to lose heavily and that gives her the opportunity to step aside with some honour intact by saying 'I did the best I could, got a deal but parliament wouldn't back it'.....Bye

 

[Lord Tyrion]

So May has despatched her best ministers to the corners of the UK to drum up support for her deal. How does that work when the ones who can make a difference are the MPs in London?
Does she think there's going to be a mad rush of Joe Blogg's phoning up their MPs demanding they back her deal next week? Don't quite understand this move.

Beginning to wonder if she actually wants out now, her refusal to listen to her own advisers saying delay Tuesday's vote is odd, like she knows she's going to lose heavily and that gives her the opportunity to step aside with some honour intact by saying 'I did the best I could, got a deal but parliament wouldn't back it'.....Bye

She is either utterly clueless about what is happening around her or it is the last paragraph and she is effectively in holiday mode now, knowing the end is near. I tend to believe, like you, it is the latter. If she brings Scrabble in to the HoC next Tuesday then we will know for definite.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

She is either utterly clueless about what is happening around her or it is the last paragraph and she is effectively in holiday mode now, knowing the end is near. I tend to believe, like you, it is the latter. If she brings Scrabble in to the HoC next Tuesday then we will know for definite.

Wondering if she's just decided that the only way the Brextremists in her party will be defeated or sidelined would be for the UK to leave with No Deal - and let them answer to the chaos - of whatever level that might present itself. Maybe she is just heartily sick of them all and sees no other way - just let things run their course. An exhausted and battered Mrs May could just have fallen to a sort of laissez-faire madness taking over her thinking...