Theresa May - Not up to the Job of PM?

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And if she had said no, she would be a spoil sport, no fun, a drab.

She cannot win on this one.

Some things you know you just can't do and you need an exit strategy. I have as much rhythm as TM so I would have stood still and clapped. Join in the fun, laugh at yourself, but don't give the press that joyous clip that she has handed on a plate.
 

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Let's hope May is frank with her party about Brexit, Chequers and alternatives at the coming Tory Party Conference - and that she absolutely slams Johnson into the ground. May might not go down in history as our greatest ever PM - but she will have the gratitude of a lot of the country if she protects us from the disaster of a Johnson PM.
 

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Let's hope May is frank with her party about Brexit, Chequers and alternatives at the coming Tory Party Conference - and that she absolutely slams Johnson into the ground. May might not go down in history as our greatest ever PM -but she will have the gratitude of a lot of the country if she protects us from the disaster of a Johnson PM.

Why would she start telling the truth now, she has lied up to now about Brexit and her failed Chequers plan, it won't work..it can't work..also will never get passed over here, time she stood aside and let someone else take control.

She's not our greatest pm by a long shot, but there has been many worse than her from both parties.
 
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Why would she start telling the truth now, she has lied up to now about Brexit and her failed Chequers plan, it won't work..it can't work..also will never get passed over here, time she stood aside and let someone else take control.

She's not our greatest pm by a long shot, but there has been many worse than her from both parties.

Such as...?
I think she may be the worst ever. Not a bad person, just not a leader - uninspiring, instills zero coinfidence in just about anything she says, no conviction or belief in what she's doing.
Tbh I'm not a Boris fan but beginning to wonder if he may actually be a better choice for PM, just to stop the dithering, make a decision and actually get Brexit done and dusted so we can move on. With Corbyn dug in as Labour leader and Cable absolutely nowhere the country just won't go away from Tories so little in the way of alternatives.

Are we really this short of capable political leaders?
 

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A quick recap of the Brexit disaster.
David Cameron give his promise of vote of whether to stay in or exit the EU, Whilst winning the general election.
Against all expectations the UK vote for Brexit.
David Cameron and George Osborne abandon ship and leave the country high and dry.
Theresa May takes over.
Theresa May callas a general election to strengthen her hand.
It goes tits up.
MPs from both sides have there own agenda against and for Brexit.
The EU has its own agenda, wanting to squeeze as much cash out of the U.K. As possible.
Some MPs want a second vote.
Don't matter who is PM be it Theresa, Boris or superman. Brexit which will happen will not please everyone.
 

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A quick recap of the Brexit disaster.
David Cameron give his promise of vote of whether to stay in or exit the EU, Whilst winning the general election.
Against all expectations the UK vote for Brexit.
David Cameron and George Osborne abandon ship and leave the country high and dry.
Theresa May takes over.
Theresa May callas a general election to strengthen her hand.
It goes tits up.
MPs from both sides have there own agenda against and for Brexit.
The EU has its own agenda, wanting to squeeze as much cash out of the U.K. As possible.
Some MPs want a second vote.
Don't matter who is PM be it Theresa, Boris or superman. Brexit which will happen will not please everyone.

And if the Brexit that will happen will not please anyone then why have that Brexit? May needs to spell out some difficult truths. It may cause her to crash and burn but at least the truth will be out there. And the more truth about the scheming, devious, and self-serving liar that is Johnson so much the better.

So just go for it Mrs May - you have nothing to lose and much gratitude to gain from many of us.
 

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Tashy, I agree it will not please everyone. That is what happens when the country is so evenly split. The mistake, IMO, is that she has been so wishy washy. Whoever was doing this needed to have a plan, think it through, work out the weaknesses and then plough ahead with it. Have some conviction. Her lack of conviction and determination is letting her, and us, down badly.
 

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And so we are in PMQs - and as usual when asked a direct question about life after a No Deal (unusually Corbyn asked a straight question) our PM either didn't understand what her Secretary of State for Leaving the EU (Mr Raab) meant when referring to 'countervailing opportunities', or put into play her recently discovered skills to dance around actually answering it.

Aside - wondering if Mr Raab thinks that by using clever words (see also Rees-Mogg) he will give the public the impression that he knows what he is talking about and/or nobody will spot that he might be stretching the truth of it a little.
 
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John flippin' Major has to be a shoe in for any rotten tomato list of PMs

Major and Brown would be my two. I don't know that May is better than either though. If you were to say 'what is her philosophy', 'what has she achieved' I don't think you could answer clearly either of those. I think Cameron is not far behind for the same reason. I have more respect for a PM that a vision and carries it through, even if I don't agree with it. Wishy washy PM's are no use.
 

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Am not sure that any of the current politicians could of done a good brexit. May included. This years theme is “ i am offended”. Someone will be offended whoever takes us out.
 

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Am not sure that any of the current politicians could of done a good brexit. May included. This years theme is “ i am offended”. Someone will be offended whoever takes us out.

You are - I think - quite right - a good Brexit could never exist. After 40yrs, the UK is too enmeshed with the EU, and through the EU with the RoW, and the mechanisms underpinning world trade have moved on a long way since we were the glorious nation of the thoroughly benighted 1970s.
 

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You are - I think - quite right - a good Brexit could never exist. After 40yrs, the UK is too enmeshed with the EU, and through the EU with the RoW, and the mechanisms underpinning world trade have moved on a long way since we were the glorious nation of the thoroughly benighted 1970s.


And, being too enmeshed is probably the strongest reason/concern why many wished/voted exit...
 

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And, being too enmeshed is probably the strongest reason/concern why many wished/voted exit...

...and like many things that have developed and grown together over many years - untangling and trying to extract one part from the rest can simply end up with you breaking or seriously damaging the thing you are trying to extract. And so you decide that it just isn't worth it and live with it the way it is.
 
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