Theresa May - Not up to the Job of PM?

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

So as I read your post, you are saying it is OK for the EU leaders to get what they want but not for the UK to get what we want?
And you want to remain part of this organisation?

It is an unfortunate truth that it has always been in the gift of the EU to decide what they wish to give to the UK in respect of access to EU markets and continued membership of various EU-wide bodies and organisations. And I think May has known this all along and it is that understanding that has determined her approach to the negotiations - that and pandering to the anti-immigration lobby in her party and the country (hence her strident No Freedom of Movement line throughout)

Many European leaders (not just the usual suspects of the EU governance) have made it 100% clear that there will be no further negotiation. End of.

That there are many in the Tory Party (and a rather pathetic Labour Party) still peddling the line to the electorate that there is a better deal to be negotiated than that May has put on the table is simply ignoring that fact - these people are deluding themselves and misleading the country. Such as Merkel and various European Prime Ministers would not be so publicly saying what they are saying were it not true - they are not fools and they would not be made fools of or embarrassed by an EU climb down. There will be no further negotiation. The WA is agreed. Indeed - the WA we have in place is the only deal we could have got once May had laid out her Red Lines.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

That is a totally pointless argument, in this day and age of press, internet, TV debates etc there was plenty of information available for people to make up their minds.

And if you do want to use that argument then what about all the rubbish being spouted by Remainers?

#ProjectFear

How is it a pointless argument when its known that the leave campaign was based on lies?

I've no doubt there was rubbish spouted by remainers.

There was no real plan in place before the vote and there's no real credible plan in place after 2 years of planning and discussion!!

It's an absolute mess.

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

How is it a pointless argument when its known that the leave campaign was based on lies?

I've no doubt there was rubbish spouted by remainers.

There was no real plan in place before the vote and there's no real credible plan in place after 2 years of planning and discussion!!

It's an absolute mess.

Yes it is a mess and I'm sure it could have been handled/negotiated better but for every lie told by a Brexiteer there was one told by a Remainer. BOTH sides lied to achieve their own aims, exactly the same as every General Election.

 

[Hacker Khan]

This Strong and Stable is working out well then.....

 

[User62651]

Her No. 10 address earlier was just the same old stuff we've heard so often before. The delivery is too rehearsed and forced, never sounds natural or sincere. Hope she goes.

But if I was a betting man I'd wager she'll get more than 50% this evening and stay on, safe for another year (unless an opposition no confidence motion has legs), she won't care if it's only a majority of 1, she'll just spout the same old soundbites. Rubbish leader........ but a tough bird.

"...Dug in like an Alabama tick..." (Blain Cooper / Predator)

 

[Deleted member 16999]

His problem is that it is the MP's who whittle away the candidates until the final 2. He has alienated a lot of MP's and so, like last time, may not reach the last 2. If it was open to the membership then he probably would win but he may not get that far.

Haven’t they changed the Tory party rules were their next leader will be chosen by the membership.

 

[ger147]

Haven’t they changed the Tory party rules were their next leader will be chosen by the membership.

MP's whittle down the list to 2 candidates then the membership chose between the final 2.

 

[bluewolf]

Has Gavin Williamson thrown his hat in the ring yet? He'll get quite a lot of support if he does.. The rank (sp) and file Tories seem to like his approach...

 

[Deleted member 16999]

MP's whittle down the list to 2 candidates then the membership chose between the final 2.

Unless what happens like it happened with May, one of the 2 withdraw and the other wins and membership get no say.

 

[Hacker Khan]

Yes it is a mess and I'm sure it could have been handled/negotiated better but for every lie told by a Brexiteer there was one told by a Remainer. BOTH sides lied to achieve their own aims, exactly the same as every General Election.

Oooh, can we play Top Trumps???

I'll go first. Category, 'Level of delusion'.

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

Oooh, can we play Top Trumps???

I'll go first. Category, 'Level of delusion'.
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He's right, it SHOULD have been. Next?

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Yes it is a mess and I'm sure it could have been handled/negotiated better but for every lie told by a Brexiteer there was one told by a Remainer. BOTH sides lied to achieve their own aims, exactly the same as every General Election.

Two wrongs dont make a right.

 

[Dando]

Two wrongs dont make a right.

but some still think it was just the leavers who lied

 

[Hobbit]

Serious concerns raised by the European Central Bank that a No Deal Brexit will seriously damage the individual EU country banks. Both France and Germany have trillions in U.K. investments and derivatives that have contract ends dates after Brexit day.

The EU is hurriedly putting together laws and financial instruments that will allow shifting of the contracts before Brexit day. However, concerns around breaches of contract could lead to court action.

The EU Commission has also said that any country’s banks that hasn’t moved their investments by Brexit day will not receive any concessions or assistance from the ECB.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

..and as JO'B reflects - 'Taking Back Control' today means that if May is dumped, a small group of people who have paid to be members of the Conservative Party will most likely get to choose the next Prime Minister of the whole United Kingdom. Marvellous. Take back Control and hand it over to a small group of unelected individuals

Come on Theresa - stick one up em - see off the self-serving and deluded in your party.

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

Take back Control and hand it over to a small group of unelected individuals

Yes, I wonder who else that applies to 🤔

 

[Deleted member 1418]

..and as JO'B reflects - 'Taking Back Control' today means that if May is dumped, a small group of people who have paid to be members of the Conservative Party will most likely get to choose the next Prime Minister of the whole United Kingdom. Marvellous. Take back Control and hand it over to a small group of unelected individuals

So? How did May become PM? How did Brown succeed Blair?

 

[ger147]

..and as JO'B reflects - 'Taking Back Control' today means that if May is dumped, a small group of people who have paid to be members of the Conservative Party will most likely get to choose the next Prime Minister of the whole United Kingdom. Marvellous. Take back Control and hand it over to a small group of unelected individuals

Come on Theresa - stick one up em - see off the self-serving and deluded in your party.

I can't be the only one to find your post rather amusing and a tad ironic, bearing in mind you started this thread because you do not believe TM is up to the job of PM and have spent the majority of this thread saying so...

 

[Hobbit]

I can't be the only one to find your post rather amusing and a tad ironic, bearing in mind you started this thread because you do not believe TM is up to the job of PM and have spent the majority of this thread saying so...

"A tad ironic..."

That's got to be the understatement of the year.

 

[ger147]

"A tad ironic..."

That's got to be the understatement of the year.

I was trying to be polite...