Theresa May - Not up to the Job of PM?

[SocketRocket]

There are far FAR too many intertwined agencies for this to be simplified into a simple analogy. There are far too many serious possible repercussions to leaving that aren't covered at all in the golf club example.

It's probably more like trying to leave a bank that you've got your mortgage, current, savings, loan, credit card, insurance, overdraft etc with. Oh, and you work for the bank. As does your other half, and your kids. And all your friends. And the bank sponsors your football team  And the guy handling your leaving doesn't appear to know what he's doing. And his boss doesn't actually want you to leave. And the bank you're going to is run by a tiny handed, orange sociopath. Etc etc etc 

Like a Bank, Hmmm. One where you have no mortgage or loans, on the contrary you have deposited a substantial amount of money in it. You are not employed by them rather the employees rely on your business for their wages and are a bit desperate on who will pay them if you leave. Rather than pay you interest you have to pay it to customers who have no money and permanent overdrafts. It's a strange type of Bank in that it insists that if you stay with them you cannot invest your money with any other Banks unless they arrange it for you on terms that suit them. When you explain you would like to leave the Bank the Manager says he wont discuss it with you until you allow your neighbor to push his wheely bin around the back of your house, even though you are quite happy for him to do it anyway but when you explain that he says he doesn't believe you. I don't think they have much interest in my football team but if they did it would probably never get out of the changing rooms unless their boots conformed to a few hundred regulations on climate change. Not exactly a 'Listening Bank' Eh!

 

[Hobbit]

There are far FAR too many intertwined agencies for this to be simplified into a simple analogy. There are far too many serious possible repercussions to leaving that aren't covered at all in the golf club example.

It's probably more like trying to leave a bank that you've got your mortgage, current, savings, loan, credit card, insurance, overdraft etc with. Oh, and you work for the bank. As does your other half, and your kids. And all your friends. And the bank sponsors your football team  And the guy handling your leaving doesn't appear to know what he's doing. And his boss doesn't actually want you to leave. And the bank you're going to is run by a tiny handed, orange sociopath. Etc etc etc 

You did great with the first paragraph but totally lost me with the second one. Orange sociopath? Where on earth does that fit into a reasonable discussion? Maybe I missed where you are coming from, Trump?? ... there are another 148 countries out there...

 

[bluewolf]

You did great with the first paragraph but totally lost me with the second one. Orange sociopath? Where on earth does that fit into a reasonable discussion? Maybe I missed where you are coming from, Trump?? ... there are another 148 countries out there...

It was a lighthearted way to waste several minutes whilst waiting for the train. It wasn't meant to be taken seriously. I've long since given up taking anything in this thread seriously.

lesson learned I suppose. I think I'll go back to ignoring the thread completely 👍

 

[Hacker Khan]

I can't understand the confusion: 'Leave' means to go away from something, it doesn't mean to partially detach yourself, take a break, pop out for a while, one foot in!

"I am closing my membership of the Golf Club and leaving"

Surely you will be keeping your Locker and Paying for the Two's?

"No, I am Leaving"

But can you clarify what you mean by that, for example, will you still be paying your Bar Levy and contributing to the Green keepers Christmas Fund?

"No, I said I was Leaving, that means I will leave and not be a member anymore, I am going to pay greenfees at lots of other clubs as it will save me a lot of money, I am paying a big annual membership fee at this club and not getting value from it. I'm also a bit miffed that the club has let in people who dont pay anything to be members and my subs cover them. I also dislike the club rule that says while I am a member I am not allowed to pay discounted greenfees through teeofftimes at other clubs unless approved by this golf club"

We think you have been listening to some of the moaners in the Spike Bar and don't understand what Leaving really means. We have decided to ignore your Decision to leave and will require a vote of your playing partners to make the final decision followed by a two year declubbing period to adjust yourself for the outside golfing world.

"No! I'm leaving. Bye!!"

Yes yes, all very good. But to further your analogy you seem to miss the fact that once you leave a golf club you can happily just walk out and completely ignore it and it will have absolutely no impact on your life as you just join another one.

Where as in the massively interconnected economic world we live in we can not just leave the EU and completely ignore it as it is essential that we have sensible economic and trading arrangements with it. Which I expect is what Tmay and a few other in her cabinet know and are trying to achieve.

As I said, we will leave the EU on March the whenever next year. But sorting through what will happen in the aftermath of leaving the EU is a little bit more tricky then the aftermath of leaving a golf club. As many are finding out. And a few are doing the best to ignore under the umbrella of project fear.

 

[Hacker Khan]

You did great with the first paragraph but totally lost me with the second one. Orange sociopath? Where on earth does that fit into a reasonable discussion? Maybe I missed where you are coming from, Trump?? ... there are another 148 countries out there...

I think he was pointing out that at one stage there was a big hope that once we were free from the shackles of the EU we would be able to do some great trade deals with the USA as they are a massive market and TMay was currying favour with Trump a bit at the start of his presidency. Where as it is increasingly clear that all Trump cares about is what is best for the USA and screw the rest.

Yes I am sure there are still 148 odd countries out there but realistically the EU and the US are still massive trading partners we need to work with.

 

[SocketRocket]

Yes yes, all very good. But to further your analogy you seem to miss the fact that once you leave a golf club you can happily just walk out and completely ignore it and it will have absolutely no impact on your life as you just join another one.

Where as in the massively interconnected economic world we live in we can not just leave the EU and completely ignore it as it is essential that we have sensible economic and trading arrangements with it. Which I expect is what Tmay and a few other in her cabinet know and are trying to achieve.

As I said, we will leave the EU on March the whenever next year. But sorting through what will happen in the aftermath of leaving the EU is a little bit more tricky then the aftermath of leaving a golf club. As many are finding out. And a few are doing the best to ignore under the umbrella of project fear.

If you drill back on the thread it was started by your hackneyed suggestion that we voted to leave but didn't understand what 'Leave' meant.

 

[Hacker Khan]

If you drill back on the thread it was started by your hackneyed suggestion that we voted to leave but didn't understand what 'Leave' meant.

Yes, silly me, it is clear from current events that business, government and voters all have a clear idea of what leave entails and what will happen....

 

[MegaSteve]

Screw the B word...

What the flip is the shower of worthlessness [in Westminster] doing about our towns/cities slipping into lawlessness...

 

[SocketRocket]

Yes, silly me, it is clear from current events that business, government and voters all have a clear idea of what leave entails and what will happen....

They all know what 'Leave' means but want to stick their heads in the sand think it wont happen. What they should be doing is making preparations for it.

 

[User62651]

They all know what 'Leave' means but want to stick their heads in the sand think it wont happen. What they should be doing is making preparations for it.

Come on SR they've had 2 years so far including many Brexiteers in Govt.

Never mind you've got this guy waiting in the wings, ready to pounce anytime now and save us all from a secret remainer PM and the EU........the messiah, he's clearly prepared.......................


......................to do anything to be PM.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Come on SR they've had 2 years so far including many Brexiteers in Govt.

Never mind you've got this guy waiting in the wings, ready to pounce anytime now and save us all from a secret remainer PM and the EU........the messiah, he's clearly prepared.......................


......................to do anything to be PM.
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A false prophet more's the like.

 

[SocketRocket]

Come on SR they've had 2 years so far including many Brexiteers in Govt.

Never mind you've got this guy waiting in the wings, ready to pounce anytime now and save us all from a secret remainer PM and the EU........the messiah, he's clearly prepared.......................


......................to do anything to be PM.
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Bit of a pathetic construed picture. Boris is more intelligent than you and I put together, he has IMO been a good Foreign Secretary and will get better. Dissing him is on a par with dissing Jimmy Krankey . Oooops!! :smirk:

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Royal Mail there trolling the Brexiteers

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44448061

 

[Rooter]

Royal Mail there trolling the Brexiteers

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44448061

how did you come to that conclusion? i read it as a classic sitcom is celebrating its 50th anniversary and the royal mail are honoring that... or did i miss something??

 

[User62651]

Bit of a pathetic construed picture. Boris is more intelligent than you and I put together, he has IMO been a good Foreign Secretary and will get better. Dissing him is on a par with dissing Jimmy Krankey . Oooops!! :smirk:

"He has been a good Foreign Secretary"....wow. He might be intelligent (I have an IQ over 100 hopefully and he might be 150 so where does that leave you?) but behind the buffoon-esque nonsense he's also disloyal and a bit of a snake.....not good leadership character traits imo.
Jimmy Krankey is a kiddies tv/panto character played by an actress. Not sure why he/she is relevant to this topic so surprised anyone would want to diss him/her.

 

[FairwayDodger]

how did you come to that conclusion? i read it as a classic sitcom is celebrating its 50th anniversary and the royal mail are honoring that... or did i miss something??

Yes, you missed something!

 

[Doon frae Troon]

"He has been a good Foreign Secretary"....wow. He might be intelligent (I have an IQ over 100 hopefully and he might be 150 so where does that leave you?) but behind the buffoon-esque nonsense he's also disloyal and a bit of a snake.....not good leadership character traits imo.
Jimmy Krankey is a kiddies tv/panto character played by an actress. Not sure why he/she is relevant to this topic so surprised anyone would want to diss him/her.

:lol: Reply of the year to the IQ test there.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

"He has been a good Foreign Secretary"....wow. He might be intelligent (I have an IQ over 100 hopefully and he might be 150 so where does that leave you?) but behind the buffoon-esque nonsense he's also disloyal and a bit of a snake.....not good leadership character traits imo.
Jimmy Krankey is a kiddies tv/panto character played by an actress. Not sure why he/she is relevant to this topic so surprised anyone would want to diss him/her.

...and a very intelligent actress into the bargain...

 

[Slime]

how did you come to that conclusion? i read it as a classic sitcom is celebrating its 50th anniversary and the royal mail are honoring that... or did i miss something??

I don't think so.

Yes, you missed something!

Me too, please enlighten us.

 

[MegaSteve]

I don't think so.



Me too, please enlighten us.

The Home Guard [Dad's Army] were old men who wanted to keep folk out of our country...
Which is how some [DfT included] view Brexiteers...

Sad, really...