Theresa May - Not up to the Job of PM?

[SocketRocket]

David Davis resigning tomorrow.....according to STV.

Would not blame him with so many working against the referendum's outcome.

 

[User62651]

Would not blame him with so many working against the referendum's outcome.

DD staying on, stamped his feet and May backed down.....I mean how many cabinet minsiters can a PM lose? December 2021...maybe..... added as a backstop date. Has turned into the usual daily Brexit related bunfight in Westminster since.
http://www.cityam.com/287143/brexit-secretary-david-davis-stay-prime-minister-offers

 

[Hacker Khan]

DD staying on, stamped his feet and May backed down.....I mean how many cabinet minsiters can a PM lose? December 2021...maybe..... added as a backstop date. Has turned into the usual daily Brexit related bunfight in Westminster since.
http://www.cityam.com/287143/brexit-secretary-david-davis-stay-prime-minister-offers

Blimey I'm confused now. Could you just confirm that we are still on track to spend a vast amount of time and money to achieve a bland compromise that will please no one and end up with a trade deal that is not as good as the current one we have with most countries? But we will have blue passports.

 

[MegaSteve]

Blimey I'm confused now. Could you just confirm that we are still on track to spend a vast amount of time and money to achieve a bland compromise that will please no one and end up with a trade deal that is not as good as the current one we have with most countries? But we will have blue passports.

Believe the political classes are getting quite near to the outcome they intended delivering from day one...
Which will be, as usual, nothing like the 'winners', of the vote, thought they'd be getting...

Hey ho... Onwards and downwards...

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Believe the political classes are getting quite near to the outcome they intended delivering from day one...
Which will be, as usual, nothing like the 'winners', of the vote, thought they'd be getting...

Hey ho... Onwards and downwards...

Still going to cost the UK Zillions though, to finish in a much poorer state.

Well done those who wanted their country back, whichever country that may be.:angry:

 

[MegaSteve]

Still going to cost the UK Zillions though, to finish in a much poorer state.

Well done those who wanted their country back, whichever country that may be.:angry:

Well, I don't know about wanting my country back...
I just wanted one less layer of 'management'...

Particularly one that offers VERY poor value...

 

[SocketRocket]

Still going to cost the UK Zillions though, to finish in a much poorer state.

Well done those who wanted their country back, whichever country that may be.:angry:

We always had our countries, what we want back is control of them.

 

[Hacker Khan]

Believe the political classes are getting quite near to the outcome they intended delivering from day one...
Which will be, as usual, nothing like the 'winners', of the vote, thought they'd be getting...

Hey ho... Onwards and downwards...

I'm pretty sure we will be leaving the EU which is what the question was on the ballot paper. As for the exact details of what that means then there lies the rub and I image you would get a 100 different answers if you asked a 100 different people. Which is why we'll end up with a version that will not please most people.

 

[USER1999]

Still going to cost the UK Zillions though, to finish in a much poorer state.

Well done those who wanted their country back, whichever country that may be.:angry:

It is not necessarily the leave voters who are at fault here, the UK government have singularly failed to deliver what was asked of them.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

We always had our countries, what we want back is control of them.

So why is Westminster clawing back powers [control] that is devolved to Scotland and Wales.

 

[MegaSteve]

I'm pretty sure we will be leaving the EU which is what the question was on the ballot paper. As for the exact details of what that means then there lies the rub and I image you would get a 100 different answers if you asked a 100 different people. Which is why we'll end up with a version that will not please most people.

Well, from where I am sitting, we are not leaving at all...
As we will still have the layer of governance we voted to expunge...

 

[SocketRocket]

So why is Westminster clawing back powers [control] that is devolved to Scotland and Wales.

Scotland has been given a whole raft of powers.

 

[Hacker Khan]

Well, from where I am sitting, we are not leaving at all...
As we will still have the layer of governance we voted to expunge...

But legally we are. And saying we are not leaving when we will be is just silly. We may not be leaving on the terms you wanted to leave on, but that does not mean we are not leaving.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Scotland has been given a whole raft of powers.

This does not answer my question.

 

[Old Skier]

Scotland has been given a whole raft of powers.

Some which the leader fails to use because she wishes to blame others for her own failings.

 

[MegaSteve]

But legally we are. And saying we are not leaving when we will be is just silly. We may not be leaving on the terms you wanted to leave on, but that does not mean we are not leaving.

Aaaah... The smoke 'n mirrors illusionists departure...
Front of the house is indicating exit...
Whilst, by sleight of hand, we remain fully attached and remotely controlled from Brussels...

 

[SocketRocket]

I'm pretty sure we will be leaving the EU which is what the question was on the ballot paper. As for the exact details of what that means then there lies the rub and I image you would get a 100 different answers if you asked a 100 different people. Which is why we'll end up with a version that will not please most people.

I can't understand the confusion: 'Leave' means to go away from something, it doesn't mean to partially detach yourself, take a break, pop out for a while, one foot in!

"I am closing my membership of the Golf Club and leaving"

Surely you will be keeping your Locker and Paying for the Two's?

"No, I am Leaving"

But can you clarify what you mean by that, for example, will you still be paying your Bar Levy and contributing to the Green keepers Christmas Fund?

"No, I said I was Leaving, that means I will leave and not be a member anymore, I am going to pay greenfees at lots of other clubs as it will save me a lot of money, I am paying a big annual membership fee at this club and not getting value from it. I'm also a bit miffed that the club has let in people who dont pay anything to be members and my subs cover them. I also dislike the club rule that says while I am a member I am not allowed to pay discounted greenfees through teeofftimes at other clubs unless approved by this golf club"

We think you have been listening to some of the moaners in the Spike Bar and don't understand what Leaving really means. We have decided to ignore your Decision to leave and will require a vote of your playing partners to make the final decision followed by a two year declubbing period to adjust yourself for the outside golfing world.

"No! I'm leaving. Bye!!"

 

[bluewolf]

I can't understand the confusion: 'Leave' means to go away from something, it doesn't mean to partially detach yourself, take a break, pop out for a while, one foot in!

"I am closing my membership of the Golf Club and leaving"

Surely you will be keeping your Locker and Paying for the Two's?

"No, I am Leaving"

But can you clarify what you mean by that, for example, will you still be paying your Bar Levy and contributing to the Green keepers Christmas Fund?

"No, I said I was Leaving, that means I will leave and not be a member anymore, I am going to pay greenfees at lots of other clubs as it will save me a lot of money, I am paying a big annual membership fee at this club and not getting value from it. I'm also a bit miffed that the club has let in people who dont pay anything to be members and my subs cover them. I also dislike the club rule that says while I am a member I am not allowed to pay discounted greenfees through teeofftimes at other clubs unless approved by this golf club"

We think you have been listening to some of the moaners in the Spike Bar and don't understand what Leaving really means. We have decided to ignore your Decision to leave and will require a vote of your playing partners to make the final decision followed by a two year declubbing period to adjust yourself for the outside golfing world.

"No! I'm leaving. Bye!!"

As one of the more (usually) erudite regular posters on this car crash of a thread, I'm slightly disappointed that you would use such an obvious false equivalency to make a point. 😉

 

[Hobbit]

As one of the more (usually) erudite regular posters on this car crash of a thread, I'm slightly disappointed that you would use such an obvious false equivalency to make a point. 

Personally, I think it’s quite a decent analogy. I’d only add that we would like to pay a green fee with you to access some of your facilities but it will be pretty much cancelled out by your green fee to us for you to access the things you want.

 

[bluewolf]

Personally, I think it’s quite a decent analogy. I’d only add that we would like to pay a green fee with you to access some of your facilities but it will be pretty much cancelled out by your green fee to us for you to access the things you want.

There are far FAR too many intertwined agencies for this to be simplified into a simple analogy. There are far too many serious possible repercussions to leaving that aren't covered at all in the golf club example.

It's probably more like trying to leave a bank that you've got your mortgage, current, savings, loan, credit card, insurance, overdraft etc with. Oh, and you work for the bank. As does your other half, and your kids. And all your friends. And the bank sponsors your football team 😉 And the guy handling your leaving doesn't appear to know what he's doing. And his boss doesn't actually want you to leave. And the bank you're going to is run by a tiny handed, orange sociopath. Etc etc etc 😂