Theresa May - Not up to the Job of PM?

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Her body language betrays how conflicted she is by the absurdity of the Brexit line she feels obliged to follow - a duty to hold her party together against the folly of the harm towards her country. One can only hope that her faith will put her fellow citizens first.

It does - and I hope it will

 

[Hobbit]

The opposition are responsible for holding the government to task in the eyes of the electorate by raising and highlighting issues and concerns; explaining any negative impact of a government policy or proposal; and for suggesting alternatives. When the government has a majority opposition power is with the electorate rather than government policy.

So don't let's try and deflect focus away from the performance of May and her government over the Windrush scandal and Brexit (which btw a poll out today suggests that only 18% of the 220,000 respondents think that a good job is being done) by throwing in this that and the other about what Labour and Corbyn might do if they were ever in government.

It might be revealing to let everyone know the source for those figures. If the population of Sunderland was polled do think it would be 18%? Whereas the figures you quote are from a specific demographic group who, quite frankly, I'd expect to see that result. I do wish you'd be balanced in your reporting/quoting - wasn't that the very thing you've criticised the Leave campaign of, biassed/skewed figures?

Bottom line for me is that Mrs May has - I believe - completely betrayed her christian beliefs and principles over immigration controls; the Windrush generation, and indeed Brexit. So not only is she personally responsible for much of the current scandal and omnishambles - but by acting against her beliefs and principles she is compromised within herself, that makes her personally weak and vulnerable. Notwithstanding all the difficulties and problems that would result - May should resign.

You know her beliefs and principles that well? She's spoken to you, intimately, about her beliefs and principles? I'm sure many of us know her background, and may also recognise she is a politician who, like many, can be a little circumspect with the facts. But I'd bet my house no one actually knows her beliefs and principles anything like well enough to make the massive leap you've made, unless of course they've had the same in-depth conversation you appear to have had.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

It might be revealing to let everyone know the source for those figures. If the population of Sunderland was polled do think it would be 18%? Whereas the figures you quote are from a specific demographic group who, quite frankly, I'd expect to see that result. I do wish you'd be balanced in your reporting/quoting - wasn't that the very thing you've criticised the Leave campaign of, biassed/skewed figures?

https://inews.co.uk/news/brexit/big-brexit-survey-eu-uk-single-market-membership/

You know her beliefs and principles that well? She's spoken to you, intimately, about her beliefs and principles? I'm sure many of us know her background, and may also recognise she is a politician who, like many, can be a little circumspect with the facts. But I'd bet my house no one actually knows her beliefs and principles anything like well enough to make the massive leap you've made, unless of course they've had the same in-depth conversation you appear to have had.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...ristian-faith-helps-make-difficult-decisions/

 

[Doon frae Troon]

PM May who helped introduce the two child benefit cap and rape clause unveils statue to Millicent Fawcett........who said irony was dead.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

And I'll add that if she uses her faith, as she describes in the Telegraph article, in the way that I do - then she might well (I'd say that she should) ) be really struggling with the Windrush Generation scandal; the way that immigration has been 'weaponised' by the right and she has ridden that 'horse' for political gain; and the harm that Brexit will quite possibly inflict on the poorest in the UK.

 

[drdel]

I wonder how many have died in the name of a 'faith' and from the self righteous preaching of the enlightened.

 

[Hobbit]

I wonder how many have died in the name of a 'faith' and from the self righteous preaching of the enlightened.

Only the disdainful and the cynical...

 

[Lord Tyrion]

PM May who helped introduce the two child benefit cap unveils statue to Millicent Fawcett........who said irony was dead.

I'm not sure the suffragettes marched for the state to fund large families.

 

[Old Skier]

PM May unveils statue to Millicent Fawcett........who said irony was dead.

Strange post at 1045 hrs as the statue wasn't unveiled untill 1100 hrs and by school children.

At best deliberately misleading, at worst a deliberate lie, which one this time.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-43881609/millicent-fawcett-first-woman-statue-on-parliament-square

 

[Doon frae Troon]

I'm not sure the suffragettes marched for the state to fund large families.

How about the rape clause then, do you think they would have marched against that

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Strange post at 1045 hrs as the statue wasn't unveiled untill 1100 hrs and by school children.

At best deliberately misleading, at worst a deliberate lie, which one this time.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-43881609/millicent-fawcett-first-woman-statue-on-parliament-square

Mr Pendant strikes again................:whoo:

Out of interest.........what are your views on the rape clause ?
I will assume you have the same views as his Lordship on the two child benefit cap.

 

[2blue]

Oh dear - what a mess. Unfortunately the woman seems completely deluded and in denial about Brexit, and just rather incompetent in general as exemplified by the current immigration scandal. I thought she had decent basic principles from her belief and faith that would result in her own personal red lines. She may indeed have such red lines but seems to be willing to cross them for the sake of the conservative party.

My great hope for her is that she remembers her basics and decides to be honest with the electorate over Brexit - and specifically over the NI/EU border conundrum. Does she have the backbone to tell us that there is no border-free solution unless the UK stays in the customs union; that if we leave the CU then we risk re-igniting the NI troubles no matter what sort of border control is put in place.

I doubt she'd follow that up by telling us that if we can't leave the CU then there is little point in leaving the EU given all the other costs,drawbacks and complications.

Overall I am afraid top say that Mrs May is currently failing big time left-right and centre. I had hoped for a lot better - with her being seemingly the best of a pretty rum bunch.

I think you've pretty much covered it there.... there'll always be those, easily led, who believe the Tory publicity machine & their press.
Like Cammeroooon ... she's another failed leader with flawed judgement... gonna be replaced by either JC or by her own shower next election.

 

[Hobbit]

I think you've pretty much covered it there.... there'll always be those, easily led, who believe the Tory publicity machine & their press.
Like Cammeroooon ... she's another failed leader with flawed judgement... gonna be replaced by either JC or by her own shower next election.

And those that believe the red tops are all super intellectuals ...

I think she's very much a paper tiger. I dread to think who will follow her as Tory leader. A more centric Labour would wipe the floor with the Tories, but when you read of so many life long Labour supporters turning their backs on the party because of Momentum and the far left...bring back David Miliband

 

[Old Skier]

Mr Pendant strikes again................:whoo:

Out of interest.........what are your views on the rape clause ?
I will assume you have the same views as his Lordship on the two child benefit cap.

So you continue to call call me a Pendant and you continue to lie but as it's the tinternet I presume you feel publishing fact is not a requirement.

As to Mrs May, if you remove your blinkers you will have read my views already on the lady.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

So you continue to call call me a Pendant and you continue to lie but as it's the tinternet I presume you feel publishing fact is not a requirement.

As to Mrs May, if you remove your blinkers you will have read my views already on the lady.

.....and your views on the rape clause [which you carefully avoided]............are....................?

BTW not just me then https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/theresa-unveils-statue-feminist-trailblazer-12419375

 

[2blue]

And those that believe the red tops are all super intellectuals ...

I think she's very much a paper tiger. I dread to think who will follow her as Tory leader. A more centric Labour would wipe the floor with the Tories, but when you read of so many life long Labour supporters turning their backs on the party because of Momentum and the far left...bring back David Miliband

Aye, there are parts of the North that have gone, rite soft...... forgetting their roots...... the desperation that footie causes, spilling over, perhaps :rofl:

 

[Lord Tyrion]

How about the rape clause then, do you think they would have marched against that

I specifically removed that from my post. Yes, I believe they would have marched against that.

 

[Old Skier]

.....and your views on the rape clause [which you carefully avoided]............are....................?

BTW not just me then https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/theresa-unveils-statue-feminist-trailblazer-12419375

There 118 pages for you to read to find out what I may have said on the matter.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

My goodness - May is going to have to be nifty on her feet to navigate the questions around what she knew about the targets Rudd was denying knowledge of the existence of to parliamentary committee - when as Rudd was making these denials May knew that Rudd knew of the targets - or at least May knew that there were targets. So why did May stay schtum?

Very much doubt May will go over this but May certainly has some very pointed questions to answer - that is if Corbyn and Abbott can keep their excitement under control enough to ask the questions in a pointed way - and there is always that doubt. If only Yvette Cooper was Shadow Home Secretary or Leader of the opposition then Labour might get some penetrative questions being asked of May.

 

[IanM]

Liam Byrne is bricking it this morning then?