Old Skier
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Nobody worries about Jeeza. It's those he surrounds himself with that people need to be concerned with.
Theresa May - Not up to the Job of PM?
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SwingsitlikeHogan
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I think we should be more concerned about the performance of those who currently wield the power, than with those who might in the future.
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Hacker Khan
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Again, if the best you can come up with is that she is not Jezza's mates then that's not much of an endorsement of her and does not fill me with a huge amount of confidence.
Old Skier
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Are you suggesting that the opposition have no power and are a waste of time, if that's so then tell me why we pay members of the opposition.
Anyone who follows politics and not just the headline grabbing side know that both sides of the HOC have been know to do some good work.
MegaSteve
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I rather suspect Tezza is way more worried about backstabber BoJo than of us are of Jezza's cohorts...
Et tu Boris
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I had promised myself that I would not post on political issues.
However, in this case I will make an exception just to ask if it is Major General Holmes to whom you are referring?
If so you should perhaps qualify your comments by referencing that gentleman's membership of the British Syrian Society, an organisation supportive of the Syrian Government and headed by Assad's father in law.
Old Skier
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And now just Mr Civvy like the rest of us, but you as always try to mislead. Nothing pendantic about it.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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The opposition are responsible for holding the government to task in the eyes of the electorate by raising and highlighting issues and concerns; explaining any negative impact of a government policy or proposal; and for suggesting alternatives. When the government has a majority opposition power is with the electorate rather than government policy.
So don't let's try and deflect focus away from the performance of May and her government over the Windrush scandal and Brexit (which btw a poll out today suggests that only 18% of the 220,000 respondents think that a good job is being done) by throwing in this that and the other about what Labour and Corbyn might do if they were ever in government.
i wonder if she would be as ready to bomb Saudi if they used chemical weapons on Yemen???
Doon frae Troon
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Unlikely, the shareholders of the UK arms companies who sell them all that weaponry would be outraged and stop donating all that money to her party
SwingsitlikeHogan
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Bottom line for me is that Mrs May has - I believe - completely betrayed her christian beliefs and principles over immigration controls; the Windrush generation, and indeed Brexit. So not only is she personally responsible for much of the current scandal and omnishambles - but by acting against her beliefs and principles she is compromised within herself, that makes her personally weak and vulnerable. Notwithstanding all the difficulties and problems that would result - May should resign.
Doon frae Troon
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The Tories went after the UKIP, Britain First and 'staunch' Unionist votes and it has led then to where they are today.
I think the 'average' Brit will take note of this come the next election.
Hopefully a new political party will arrive on the scene to balance out out the two extremist parties.
I think the 'average' Brit will take note of this come the next election.
Hopefully a new political party will arrive on the scene to balance out out the two extremist parties.
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User62651
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May's had the hardest PM gig in several generations I think. Damned if she does, damned if she doesn't. Between Brexit/EU, Grenfell, Terrorist attacks in London/Manchester, Windrush, dementia tax, General Election failure, Syria/Middle East, Northern Ireland, Scotland, Minister sackings/resignation etc etc she's certainly had a busy 22 months or so lurching from crisis to crisis. Most new PMs come in on a wave of hope and optimism and get a couple of years grace to see how they go but not her, thrown into Camerons mess with a seething divided electorate, just into a Tory second term. It could be too much for almost any PM before her too. Thankless task. Not saying she's any good but not sure how many others would fare much better.
If she can stop the u-turns and get some media coaching to become less Maybot.....and a little bit of luck.....then she may be PM longer than we think.
#anyonebutBoris.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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May's had the hardest PM gig in several generations I think. Damned if she does, damned if she doesn't. Between Brexit/EU, Grenfell, Terrorist attacks in London/Manchester, Windrush, dementia tax, General Election failure, Syria/Middle East, Northern Ireland, Scotland, Minister sackings/resignation etc etc she's certainly had a busy 22 months or so lurching from crisis to crisis. Most new PMs come in on a wave of hope and optimism and get a couple of years grace to see how they go but not her, thrown into Camerons mess with a seething divided electorate, just into a Tory second term. It could be too much for almost any PM before her too. Thankless task. Not saying she's any good but not sure how many others would fare much better.
If she can stop the u-turns and get some media coaching to become less Maybot.....and a little bit of luck.....then she may be PM longer than we think.
#anyonebutBoris.
I don't disagree with your analysis. But where I may differ is that I don't think her heart is in it. I think she may well be conflicted in herself in that she has compromised her faith-based core beliefs. And this makes her weak and vulnerable - indeed just too weak to actually stands up for what she believes is right and proclaims it loudly and clearly to be heard by all those politicians (who need not be named) and those in the press (Paul Dacre - are you listening - do you care?) who have driven the government and indeed the country to this terrible mess.
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Ever think she proclaims to having a faith in order to conform to what is expected of a PM and Tory leader? Say you're an athiest as a politician (even today) and especially as a political leader and you'll be held back as some kind of dangerous radical, old fashioned attitude but still true sadly I think especailly with the power the Church still holds in our Society, this despite a largely secular electorate out there. I doubt her faith has much to do with it tbh.
She has tough challenges day after day and isn't meeting them all that well, bit out of her depth but I think her heart is in it, clearly politically motivated to get to Home Sec and when chasing PM position. I think she's just not a good people person, lacks warmth and humour and has next to no inspirational qualities, like Major and Brown before her a bit dull maybe.
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SwingsitlikeHogan
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Possibly - but I think a church-going vicar's daughter might really struggle to fake her faith. I have a suspicion that her political toughness is superficial - an act - an act that she has had to develop in order to succeed in her chosen profession (I might add -as a woman).
And it is the conflict within, between her act as HS and now PM and her beliefs, that is manifest by her rather awkward manner and quite poor communication skills. We hear it in her speeches - when she cannot convincingly and authetically speak on toughness; tough measures and on a Brexit that she might well believe will be most harmful to the poorest of the country - those very people that she would have got into politics to help.
She was, for me, at her most convincing and authentic (probably the last time) when she made her speech outside #10 after having become PM. And I said at the time that maybe just maybe she'd be good...
But at that point she was not completely mired in and faced by the mess we now have.
MegaSteve
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I'd just like to point out you don't need to have faith to be a thoroughly decent person...
And, not having faith doesn't make you a bad person either...
Probably the mix of religion and politics is a way to arriving at poor decisions...
And, not having faith doesn't make you a bad person either...
Probably the mix of religion and politics is a way to arriving at poor decisions...
I'd take that further. Having faith doesn't make you either bad or good in itself. It certainly does not automatically make people good people. I have met far too many nasty people who roll up to church every Sunday as that somehow absolves them of their unpleasantness. People can be nice and nasty with or without faith.
Doon frae Troon
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Well said, very good summary.
May is pretty inept yet Corbyn and Cable cant lay a glove on her.
The sad state of British politics.
hors limite
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Her body language betrays how conflicted she is by the absurdity of the Brexit line she feels obliged to follow - a duty to hold her party together against the folly of the harm towards her country. One can only hope that her faith will put her fellow citizens first.
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