Old Skier
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Not untill the NHS come up with a strategy to deal with it.
If you want to blame it on politicians blame them all instead of showing your one party bias.
Theresa May - Not up to the Job of PM?
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Not untill the NHS come up with a strategy to deal with it.
If you want to blame it on politicians blame them all instead of showing your one party bias.
Doon frae Troon
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Strange how some say it is not a political situation then make cheap inaccurate political comments to suit their own political bias. 
The NHS is governed by whichever party is in power, obviously. And whilst it’s subject to different political doctrines every 5(?) years it will always lack a consistent approach.
Is May and Hunt to blame? They are the current ‘captain’s’ and are responsible. However, you can point the finger at successive governments going back as long as I can remember and say they are to blame.
Until a government, of any persuasion, puts together a funding mechanism that recognises that the NHS requires more than inflationary rises it will continue to spiral down to death.
Ann Widdicombe articulated the issues very clearly several years ago, the short version being you, the electorate, can have any version of NHS you want but the harsh reality is you will have to pay for it. She also said that the NHS needs to be run by a politically independent management organisation that isn’t subject to rule from Westminster.
Tory doctrine is based around lower taxation, which doesn’t fit with the (true) level of funding the NHS needs. And Labour won’t tell the truth on the level of taxation they will bring in to properly fund the NHS.
The fiddling around the edges that successive governments have done will never put things right.
drdel
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Argument alert - There's an NHS thread !
As to Theresa May, Corbyn is simply not offering a feasible alternative and across the Channel I note that the pundits are suggesting she'll outlast Merkel.
As to Theresa May, Corbyn is simply not offering a feasible alternative and across the Channel I note that the pundits are suggesting she'll outlast Merkel.
Old Skier
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Strange how some say it is not a political situation then make cheap inaccurate political comments to suit their own political bias.
From you, that's a cracker.
Inept and awful but at least she has rescinded her offer to have a free vote on Fox hunting. She has enough carnage on her hands without taking that on again.
MegaSteve
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Sick to the back teeth with "we have an ageing population" excuse...
drdel
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It is however a fact ignored by transport providers, tax revenue generation and many companies/corporations - not just in health provision:.
And we’ve had an aging population since records began. Each generation has lived a little longer than the previous generation. I do wish an interviewer would have a follow-up question when this statement is trotted out. “Do you think we don’t know that, has it come as a shock to you?
after todays performance on Andrew Marr, i'm surprised she ever got to be an MP let alone PM
SwingsitlikeHogan
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Wasn't great was it...never mind the content - her delivery I found just rather excruciating - nervous and inauthentic. And what's going on with her mouth - when speaking she seemed to have a quivering bottom lip - and about to burst into tears half the time. You could see almost sheer relief on her face when she felt she had an opportunity to say something that she felt was very positive...her face changed (and I'm not talking about the skin bronzer my Mrs was thinking she had on her face - I wouldn't know).
Wondering whether she'll put Chris Grayling into Deputy PM role today - he being the most enormous waste of space and utter failure as a minister over the last 10 years. Just put him as DPM and get him out of the way. Would having Hunt as her DPM be too much soft leave influence for hardliners - like Grayling...(though with his record in government why anyone might listen to anything he says these days God only knows).
Interesting to see what she does...
SwingsitlikeHogan
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And on Marr she was giving that the 'I've listened to the people' schtick - what about those who might have had their vote swayed her and Tory party way because of her manifesto promise of a free vote - well they don't seem to matter.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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So how has she done? I'm thinking it's all window dressing in any case in such as the NHS - though it does disappoint to hear so many voices wanting her to kick all who voted Remain and may be trying to minimise the impact of Brexit, and why do they call on her to do that? Because the 'Will of the People' has UK leaving and so EVERYONE in the cabinet should be hard leavers - no shirking remainers allowed.
But folks - if her cabinet is to reflect the 'will of the people' because the will of 48% of the people was to remain - she needs remainers in her cabinet. But no - get rid of them traitors, troublemakers and delayers one and all. Fortunately to her credit I think May realises that that's verging on totalitarianism and she's not having that. I believe she wants and needs a balance of Brexit views in her cabinet as she does not actually want a 'Hard' or 'No Deal' Brexit - that does not silence the complainers and her critics on the Brexit side.
Oddly enough I get the impression that more 'remain' voters have something OK to say about her (as I do) than 'Leave' voters. Seems rather paradoxical that.
But folks - if her cabinet is to reflect the 'will of the people' because the will of 48% of the people was to remain - she needs remainers in her cabinet. But no - get rid of them traitors, troublemakers and delayers one and all. Fortunately to her credit I think May realises that that's verging on totalitarianism and she's not having that. I believe she wants and needs a balance of Brexit views in her cabinet as she does not actually want a 'Hard' or 'No Deal' Brexit - that does not silence the complainers and her critics on the Brexit side.
Oddly enough I get the impression that more 'remain' voters have something OK to say about her (as I do) than 'Leave' voters. Seems rather paradoxical that.
Incompetent, the bl00dy lot of them. More u-turns than an Italian tank driver. Announcement earlier today pulled because it was wrong. Budget after budget that gets shredded before it sees the statute books.
Sadly, it’s the best of a bad job.
Sadly, it’s the best of a bad job.
MegaSteve
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Did a minister for no deal get appointed?
Old Skier
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Could do worse 
SwingsitlikeHogan
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I heard one Leave supporter - in struggling to come up with something nice to say about May - decided that the best he could say was that she triggered Art50 (she didn't parliament did) and that she was determined - like Maggie.
Well she may be determined - maybe - but she ain't no Maggie. For one thing you knew what Maggie believed in (like it or not) and the lady was not for turning. Unfortunately Theresa May seems to be spinning so much she is getting dizzy and confused - and in that confusion she seems to have lost track of what she believes in...if not she seems too dizzied with those challenging Tories around her that she is unable to articulate just what she wants. I dearly hope that some time soon she decides that she has to confront the beast and tell the country the truth as she sees it. And many in her party and in the country will not like what she could say.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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So much ado about nothing, except Justine Greening says thanks but no thanks over a move from Education to Work and Pensions and resigns the cabinet - oops. And Jeremy Hunt argues against swapping him with Greg Clarke at Business; wins the argument and stays at Health. Hmm.
Did no one tell May that Greening wouldn't accept a move to the DWP and Hunt wouldn't accept a move to Business? Thought for some time that Hunt was in a strong position as he has morphed from Remain to Leave since the referendum - and so it seems - May can't get him out of Health no matter how toxic he might be to many.
Did no one tell May that Greening wouldn't accept a move to the DWP and Hunt wouldn't accept a move to Business? Thought for some time that Hunt was in a strong position as he has morphed from Remain to Leave since the referendum - and so it seems - May can't get him out of Health no matter how toxic he might be to many.
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larmen
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Wouldn't you rather have a good prime minister than 'not the worst'?
Otherwise vote for Corbyn, at least you haven't got Shipman then.
chippa1909
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May: I'm going to have a re-shuffle.
Cabinet: Oh no you're not!
The "Strong And Stable" pantomime continues...
Cabinet: Oh no you're not!
The "Strong And Stable" pantomime continues...
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