Theresa May - Not up to the Job of PM?

[Old Skier]

beyond stupidity - hmmm - where is that then? Surely can't be directed at me as that would be personal - and we don't do personal attacks on here - do we...

Wouldn't have thought so as you have already agreed it's not political.

 

[USER1999]

I am not sure those outside of the pharmaceutical world realise how expensive and time consuming it is to research and develop a drug, and get it to market, and how much money is spent on drugs that never get there.

Rip off pharma. Really not seeing that. Without them, we would be stuffed.

Part of the trouble is people live longer, with more serious diseases. So much is treatable, prolonging life, but at a big on cost. The NHS was not built on this type of business model.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Wouldn't have thought so as you have already agreed it's not political.

Oh I don't think I've agreed. But as you do seem to think the NHS problems are not political you need to tell Bob Kerslake - ex Chair of Board of Kings College Hospital until Oct last year

https://www.theguardian.com/society...kerslake-resigns-underfunding-health-services

who today has said that Theresa May is in denial over the NHS

Sounds political to me. But what do I know.

 

[Old Skier]

Her being in denial (If you feel she really is) doesn't make it political although I see how it suits your argument. You appear to be very easily influenced by anyone who comes up with an anti government statement.

More people live longer and require more from all of our public services. Anyone with any knowledge of finances would know that there is a huge cost to the problem.

Your man Hunt last week actual (at last) realized that long term planning is what is required to deal with these problems, not the short term plasters that ALL parties have failed to grasp.

With a restricted amount of money coming in it is for those that we elect to inform us how this problem will be achieved before an election and then we vote for the solution we like.

The facts are, they need to rob Peter to pay Paul or they raise more money through taxes or we pay for services as and when required.

They could also look at the dross and hangers on in the public sector including the NHS and get rid of them.

 

[Old Skier]

Oh I don't think I've agreed.

#997 :lol:

 

[Dellboy]

I think the NHS is fantastic, been having an on going chest problems, nothing serious but painful.
Went to see my GP on the 27th of Dec, she recommended I have a course of injections into chest, I called my local hospital on the 27th for an appointment, had the injections yesterday with an overnight stay, top service.

Now I know all is not well in the NHS but for some on here to keep on running it down just to score some petty political points is pretty sad.

Let’s not forget that Labour made a right hash of it last time they were in, more money will not cure it, reorganisation is what’s needed, also less Managers would go a long way to helping, I have a family member who works at the local hospital, some days they have more office staff than nurses on her ward.

 

[SocketRocket]

beyond stupidity - hmmm - where is that then? Surely can't be directed at me as that would be personal - and we don't do personal attacks on here - do we...

Re-arrange these words into a well known phrase or saying:

Fits if wear the it cap

 

[Old Skier]

Bob Kerslake

Whole career spent in the public sector
Life long friend of Jeremy Corbyn
Had to resign from his last post in the NHS due to poor financial performance in an area he was responsible.

Not a great example unless your trying to make a political point.

 

[Dando]

the NHS went downhill as soon as they let private contracts form parts of it.. they overcharge the gov and we the tax payer foot the bill

same on the tube... £150 to change a lightbulb rather than a £10 job

at one of my old companies we insured some pfi contracts and so got to look at the contract terms and the repayments - they were outrageous and like you say have lumbered the nhs with billions of £ of debt.
most people either don’t understand or refuse to admit that while the tories started this, it was labour who went to town with them as they were building schools and hospitals but keeping the expense off the books.

imho all these contracts should be cancelled

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

#997 :lol:

OK - choose to ignore any obvious irony and sarcasm in a post and then make a point of it...oh dear

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Her being in denial (If you feel she really is) doesn't make it political although I see how it suits your argument. You appear to be very easily influenced by anyone who comes up with an anti government statement.

More people live longer and require more from all of our public services. Anyone with any knowledge of finances would know that there is a huge cost to the problem.

Your man Hunt last week actual (at last) realized that long term planning is what is required to deal with these problems, not the short term plasters that ALL parties have failed to grasp.

With a restricted amount of money coming in it is for those that we elect to inform us how this problem will be achieved before an election and then we vote for the solution we like.

The facts are, they need to rob Peter to pay Paul or they raise more money through taxes or we pay for services as and when required.

They could also look at the dross and hangers on in the public sector including the NHS and get rid of them.

Not my words of viewpoint - though I might agree.

But yup - of course - problems with the NHS are nothing to do with politics (and just in case anyone misunderstands - I'm being sarcastic).

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Joined up thinking is required by the health and social services to avoid the kind of headlines we have recently seen.
The Scottish NHS trusts and social services are generally very good at this and patient satisfaction is very high.

However, my local health board has just closed a small hospital site with 30 beds. This site just cares for the elderly who are one step away from the hospice. These 30 patients are now on the general hospital wards and will obviously have knock on effects on the staffing demands and available beds.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Joined up thinking is required by the health and social services to avoid the kind of headlines we have recently seen.
The Scottish NHS trusts and social services are generally very good at this and patient satisfaction is very high.

However, my local health board has just closed a small hospital site with 30 beds. This site just cares for the elderly who are one step away from the hospice. These 30 patients are now on the general hospital wards and will obviously have knock on effects on the staffing demands and available beds.

These are exactly the type of sites that are needed. They should be opening more, not closing them. Those patients will now be bed blocking, through no fault of their own. Sooooooo frustrating.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Joined up thinking is required by the health and social services to avoid the kind of headlines we have recently seen.
The Scottish NHS trusts and social services are generally very good at this and patient satisfaction is very high.

However, my local health board has just closed a small hospital site with 30 beds. This site just cares for the elderly who are one step away from the hospice. These 30 patients are now on the general hospital wards and will obviously have knock on effects on the staffing demands and available beds.

My mum was in a NHS Scotland palliative care home for her last year. It was built and is managed by a private company - all care services are provided by NHS Scotland. Without it she would have been a bed-blocker - possibly in the QueenLizzieUH. Her care was fabulous. The home caters for 72 end-of-life patients in a lovely and caring environment - it is scheduled for closure in March 2019. Why? Well the building was built under a PFI initiative and is owned by the private company. Their contract comes to and in in March 2019 and they don't want it extended as they wish to use the building for other purposes (or knock it down - even though it is fairly new - and build housing). Oh dear.

 

[Old Skier]

Not my words of viewpoint - though I might agree.

But yup - of course - problems with the NHS are nothing to do with politics (and just in case anyone misunderstands - I'm being sarcastic).

Not sure who who or what your point of view is, who are you agreeing or not with.

It seems the SNP are following the current government policies then looking at Doons post. Didn't realize they were fans of the Torys.

 

[Junior]

My mum was in a NHS Scotland palliative care home for her last year. It was built and is managed by a private company - all care services are provided by NHS Scotland. Without it she would have been a bed-blocker - possibly in the QueenLizzieUH. Her care was fabulous. The home caters for 72 end-of-life patients in a lovely and caring environment - it is scheduled for closure in March 2019. Why? Well the building was built under a PFI initiative and is owned by the private company. Their contract comes to and in in March 2019 and they don't want it extended as they wish to use the building for other purposes (or knock it down - even though it is fairly new - and build housing). Oh dear.

It's a real shame such a place is closing. I have friends who's parents are in such places and the care they receive is exemplary.

A genuine question though, referring back to the thread title , How is it Teresa May's fault that such a place you describe is closing down ? Private land that could be sold on for great profit than what the owner is receiving now ?

It's just with all the negativity around politics right now (and I'm a floating voter btw so please don't judge), I actually think she is doing an OK job. Who else would you trust to negotiate with the EU over Brexit, Corbyn ? It's not a job anyone on here could do, although we all sound like we know what we want, and I can't think of anyone in politics right now who would be a better PM. That said, its a shame David Milliband has disappeared somewhat as he was one I like to hear speak.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Not sure who who or what your point of view is, who are you agreeing or not with.

It seems the SNP are following the current government policies then looking at Doons post. Didn't realize they were fans of the Torys.

What am I supposed to make of that...it's not even funny.

And so - just in case I doubted myself that 'the problems wit the NHS are not political' or that 'May is in denial' as Kerslake said. An older but valid link.

http://www.tiptopaware.com/2017/01/crisis-what-nhs-crisis-theresa-may-must-stop-this-denial/

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

It's a real shame such a place is closing. I have friends who's parents are in such places and the care they receive is exemplary.

A genuine question though, referring back to the thread title , How is it Teresa May's fault that such a place you describe is closing down ? Private land that could be sold on for great profit than what the owner is receiving now ?

It's just with all the negativity around politics right now (and I'm a floating voter btw so please don't judge), I actually think she is doing an OK job. Who else would you trust to negotiate with the EU over Brexit, Corbyn ? It's not a job anyone on here could do, although we all sound like we know what we want, and I can't think of anyone in politics right now who would be a better PM. That said, its a shame David Milliband has disappeared somewhat as he was one I like to hear speak.

Nothing May can do about the closure of the home as it's NHS Scotland. That said I don't think the Scottish Government are that inclined to keep it open either as they are looking at how best to provide the care alternatively using the funding they 'save' from the closure - whether that s HBCC or otherwise..

The new approach – Hospital Based Complex Care – asks the question “can this
individuals care needs be properly met in any setting other than a hospital?” In other
words does someone require on-going care and support that can only be provided
safely and effectively in hospital? The view of the Scottish Government is that “we
should look to disinvest in long-stay beds – in a proportionate, measured and safe way
– and spend the resource, both money and staff, supporting people in the community,
where personal outcomes are almost always better.”

So no - nothing May can do about this one - was just adding to what Doon had posted previously.

But May does seem to be struggling across the board. I think it is just her own christian democratic convictions - to try and sort things rather than have someone else come in who makes things worse - that keeps her going.

 

[Old Skier]

What am I supposed to make of that...it's not even funny.

And so - just in case I doubted myself that 'the problems wit the NHS are not political' or that 'May is in denial' as Kerslake said. An older but valid link.

http://www.tiptopaware.com/2017/01/crisis-what-nhs-crisis-theresa-may-must-stop-this-denial/

So it's all Labours fault then.

Or it's not a political problem, it's a problem that all party's have failed to recognize or (more likely) failed to come up with a strategy to deal with the problem

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

So it's all Labours fault then.

Or it's not a political problem, it's a problem that all party's have failed to recognize or (more likely) failed to come up with a strategy to deal with the problem

So it is a political problem?