Theresa May - Not up to the Job of PM?

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

May now fiddling and 'dating' the Repeal Bill - to protect herself loses some of my sympathy? And she is misleading the public according to Lord Kerr ...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-public-author-lord-kerr-claims-a8046676.html

But let's not even contemplate that...why even acknowledge the truth of the matter - after all Lord Kerr would say that wouldn't he and so his words of clarification and guidance can be dismissed. And they will be.

Because May knows that the Art50 process can be stopped - so what a cunning ploy - get the default leaving date built into the Repeal Bill and she can claim that parliament has formally approved the leaving date and so parliament cannot stop Article50 as it is currently able to do?

Maybe I misread and misunderstand.

Sorry Prime Minister - I am not impressed

 

[Old Skier]

Maybe I misunderstand.

Possibly but as she was big on the Remain side, perhaps she feels she needs to convince the democratic majority that she is serious and by giving the HC it would be time for others to either put up or shut up.

Interesting development.

 

[IanM]

Quoting my learned colleague on another thread... "We have a divided country because we have had a referendum that has split opinion in the country in half; and a Leave lobby unwilling or unable to make any concessions to the views and fears of the Remain camp as it drives the country towards the cliff edge."

Now, just for fun...trying to be totally objective, could you not also take the above to be"Remain lobby not accepting the result of the Referendum and continuing their campaign, thereby continuing the division?"

- So, Mrs May, regardless of own prior position, making the position/date really clear...


Now of course, I have said many times on here that I don't believe we'll leave. Pretty much every anti Federalism vote have been re-run or ignored. That's why we should leave!

 

[Hobbit]

May now fiddling and 'dating' the Repeal Bill - to protect herself loses some of my sympathy? And she is misleading the public according to Lord Kerr ...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-public-author-lord-kerr-claims-a8046676.html

But let's not even contemplate that...why even acknowledge the truth of the matter - after all Lord Kerr would say that wouldn't he and so his words of clarification and guidance can be dismissed. And they will be.

Because May knows that the Art50 process can be stopped - so what a cunning ploy - get the default leaving date built into the Repeal Bill and she can claim that parliament has formally approved the leaving date and so parliament cannot stop Article50 as it is currently able to do?

Maybe I misread and misunderstand.

Sorry Prime Minister - I am not impressed

You constantly ask for plans and definites, and when you get one you still criticise it to hell and back. Let's be honest here, if it doesn't suit your Remain desire you will always shred it

 

[User2021]

Although old tresemme shampoo is a remainer she now wants to go down in Political History as the PM who took us out.

I still don't think we will actually leave
I still think tresemme shampoo is on borrowed time and isn't strong enough to be PM

The budget in 12 days time is going to be interesting

 

[IanM]

We got the shampoo reference No need to (rinse and) repeat!!

 

[chrisd]

I still don't think we will actually leave

How's that going to work?

 

[Doon frae Troon]

How's that going to work?

The Progressive National Unity Alliance will reject it in Parliament.

 

[IanM]

No, its the "Want Another New Keep Europe Referendum" Party............ Nick Clegg in the Chair!

 

[Doon frae Troon]

No, its the "Want Another New Keep Europe Referendum" Party............ Nick Clegg in the Chair!

Dash it......the PNUA was supposed to be an underground movement.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

So Theresa May apologies for the Winter mess in the NHS - following on from Jeremy Hunt doing the same. Am I supposed to be impressed? Try resigning over the shambles then I might. Saying sorry for a total 'screw up' doesn't change the fact of the 'screw up'. But no matter. May knows her reputation is pretty much in tatters so nothing to lose - but Hunt?

Well of course apparently Hunt has his eyes on the prize - Deputy PM then leader of the Conservatives - and maybe just maybe PM. Hunt can't get sacked from his position as Health Secretary as he is now a Leaver - albeit most probably a soft Leaver - but whatever - May can't and won't sack him for the NHS mess. And Hunt can point to #10 and the Treasury as the source of the NHS funding issues - and by saying sorry he looks for some brownie points with the electorate - and that all helps his path to the 'crown'.

Oh but it would not be hilarious if he achieved his goals - a General Election was called and we - his constituents - kicked him out,

 

[Jensen]

Between Christmas and New Year there was an interesting article on Sky News about body language.
It focused on Trump, Kim Jon nut job, Clinton and May.
What the expert identified with May is how much now she is stopping, as though she is carrying the world on her shoulder. So much different to when she came to power walking so upright.

 

[IanM]

We have a senior surgeon as a member at our golf club.... his view is interesting.

He said that if you list a dozen reasons (from both sides of the political divide) about why the NHS is struggling, you might find all of them are true to a certain extent. And that doesn't mean there isn't lots of good stuff going on in amongst it.

My mum is a retired nurse, says roughly the same and it was no different when Tony and Gordon were in the House!

 

[Old Skier]

Shame that some don't seem to realize that the problems in the NHS has nothing to do with politics.

 

[PJ87]

the NHS went downhill as soon as they let private contracts form parts of it.. they overcharge the gov and we the tax payer foot the bill

same on the tube... £150 to change a lightbulb rather than a £10 job

 

[Lord Tyrion]

I'm not in the NHS but have tried to follow the recent problems. The big issue seems to be bed blocking, mainly elderly patients who are fit to leave but can not be sent home unless there is some assistance for them at home. There is either no family, or an unwilling family, available or it takes too long to set up home helps etc. Is that a fair assumption? If it is then the issue is more social services, district nurse etc than pure hospital based NHS. Clear the jam, free up the beds, increase the flow of patients.

I know this is very simplistic but it seems to crop up time and time again as the problem. Is money going into this area as it could be the plunger to unblock the sink?

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Shame that some don't seem to realize that the problems in the NHS has nothing to do with politics.

of course - nothing at all to do with politics

 

[Old Skier]

of course - nothing at all to do with politics

Good to see you agree although I'm somewhat surprised.

 

[drdel]

over the years (Labour and Tory) the NHS has closed many thousands of beds at a time when the population growth (accelerated by net immigration and aging) has risen.

Couple the drop in capacity and rising demand with the increased sophistication (e.g. cost) of treatments and you have a system of which the expectations are unreal.

Most nations expect patients to contribute to elective and non-emergency care.

Politicians of all colours have grappled with the question but failed to address the unreal expectations, rip-off charges by drug companies and unattractive pay levels for staff.

It is too easy to lay the blame at the PM and beyond stupidity to think her resignation would really achieve anything at all.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

over the years (Labour and Tory) the NHS has closed many thousands of beds at a time when the population growth (accelerated by net immigration and aging) has risen.

Couple the drop in capacity and rising demand with the increased sophistication (e.g. cost) of treatments and you have a system of which the expectations are unreal.

Most nations expect patients to contribute to elective and non-emergency care.

Politicians of all colours have grappled with the question but failed to address the unreal expectations, rip-off charges by drug companies and unattractive pay levels for staff.

It is too easy to lay the blame at the PM and beyond stupidity to think her resignation would really achieve anything at all.

beyond stupidity - hmmm - where is that then? Surely can't be directed at me as that would be personal - and we don't do personal attacks on here - do we...