Theresa May - Not up to the Job of PM?

[drdel]

I'm not a great fan of Corbyn but I don't think he's the bogeyman the right wing think he is. To answer your question, yes, I think he'd be very different.

He's probably a nice guy however his past history suggests (to me) that he is prepared to change his views depending on the audience.

His speeches usually lack any detail which he rarely addresses. Undoubtedly his policies are expensive if not unaffordable but they are definitely popularistic which might be dangerous!

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Can you clarify - is far right and nationalism the same thing though? Are you saying in Germany it's a swing towards independence from the EU that has to be right wing, why not left leaning nationalists as well? Up here nationalism support is generally nearly all left of centre as the only viable right wing option (Tories) is very pro UK.

Some of the 'new' Tory politicians elected in Scotland seem to have some pretty far right 'old fashioned' views.
Mind you some only got in by dint of Labour voters supporting them on an anti independence stance.
All a bit of a mess really.
If SLAB voters had stuck to their party and not played Silly B's, May would not have had a majority

I think the German right wing vote is more like the UKIP mentality and anti EU.
Total opposite to the SNP.

 

[Foxholer]

Can you clarify - is far right and nationalism the same thing though? Are you saying in Germany it's a swing towards independence from the EU that has to be right wing, why not left leaning nationalists as well? Up here nationalism support is generally nearly all left of centre as the only viable right wing option (Tories) is very pro UK.

Some of the 'new' Tory politicians elected in Scotland seem to have some pretty far right 'old fashioned' views.
Mind you some only got in by dint of Labour voters supporting them on an anti independence stance.
All a bit of a mess really.
If SLAB voters had stuck to their party and not played Silly B's, May would not have had a majority

I think the German right wing vote is more like the UKIP mentality and anti EU.
Total opposite to the SNP.

Seems to me that it's simply votes for an anti-immigration party!

Not too dis-similar to UKIP a couple (or more) of UK elections ago!

 

[Hacker Khan]

He's probably a nice guy however his past history suggests (to me) that he is prepared to change his views depending on the audience.

His speeches usually lack any detail which he rarely addresses. Undoubtedly his policies are expensive if not unaffordable but they are definitely popularistic which might be dangerous!

Although they were all costed out in their election manifesto. http://www.labour.org.uk/page/-/Images/manifesto-2017/Funding Britain's Future.PDF

Which is more than the Tories were. Including the magic money tree for the DUP.

And as for changing views then I'd argue that of all politicians, his have stayed pretty stable.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Although they were all costed out in their election manifesto. http://www.labour.org.uk/page/-/Images/manifesto-2017/Funding Britain's Future.PDF

Which is more than the Tories were. Including the magic money tree for the DUP.

And as for changing views then I'd argue that of all politicians, his have stayed pretty stable.

...and so far £62m found for the British Virgin Islands (a good thing) despite us not being able to mine the Overseas Aid budget and all the fuss that was made over how not being able to do so would impact our ability to provide the aid.

 

[ColchesterFC]

Seems to me that it's simply votes for an anti-immigration party!

Not too dis-similar to UKIP a couple (or more) of UK elections ago!

And we all know where that led us in this country.

Although I can't imagine Merkel calling a referendum on EU membership just to appease those people.

 

[larmen]

Seems to me that it's simply votes for an anti-immigration party!

Not too dis-similar to UKIP a couple (or more) of UK elections ago!

I fear it is not as simple.

The original party founder was anti EU. But as the party grew they attracted more and more racists which changed the focus of the party so much that that guy left. What stayed behind is what looked more like a racist party than an anti EU party.

Just like UKIP didn't start as racist party, they just appealed to them. I don't think Nigel was a racist when he started the whole thing, but over time...

 

[Old Skier]

I'm not a great fan of Corbyn but I don't think he's the bogeyman the right wing think he is. To answer your question, yes, I think he'd be very different.

Very, very different. Bogeymen are a thing of fiction, unfortunately he is real.

 

[Hacker Khan]

I see she has claimed that there were not enough debates in the last election. After she refused to turn up to any. And that the Tories were not properly prepared for it. After she called the snap election when there was no need to.

Ladies and gentlemen, the words of the leader of our country in one of the most important times in recent history.

 

[Hobbit]

I see she has claimed that there were not enough debates in the last election. After she refused to turn up to any. And that the Tories were not properly prepared for it. After she called the snap election when there was no need to.

Ladies and gentlemen, the words of the leader of our country in one of the most important times in recent history.

If you read the transcript of what she said rather than how it is reported in The Sun you'll find a different slant.

 

[User62651]

Anyone watch her on Marr?
Not as easy watch, tense and defensive, desperately trying to deflect to Labour, wouldn't answer with any clarity on her own government's performance. When asked at the end was Boris unsackable, just another grimace and no answer, another deflection about all our jobs, not theirs. Seems to have learned little since the election debacle. Not camera or media friendly. Poor performance from a dead duck PM......imho.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Anyone watch her on Marr?
Not as easy watch, tense and defensive, desperately trying to deflect to Labour, wouldn't answer with any clarity on her own government's performance. When asked at the end was Boris unsackable, just another grimace and no answer, another deflection about all our jobs, not theirs. Seems to have learned little since the election debacle. Not camera or media friendly. Poor performance from a dead duck PM......imho.

Agree with that, trouble is that it is difficult to name another Tory party member who would do a better job.

 

[MegaSteve]

Anyone watch her on Marr?
Not as easy watch, tense and defensive, desperately trying to deflect to Labour, wouldn't answer with any clarity on her own government's performance. When asked at the end was Boris unsackable, just another grimace and no answer, another deflection about all our jobs, not theirs. Seems to have learned little since the election debacle. Not camera or media friendly. Poor performance from a dead duck PM......imho.

DaveCam usually interviewed well...
But, that was the extent of his 'ability'...

What became of him... I wonder...

 

[Doon frae Troon]

DaveCam usually interviewed well...
But, that was the extent of his 'ability'...

What became of him... I wonder...

We used to laugh at Cameron being interviewed, the more he lied the redder his face became.
May does the same but it is not so noticeable.

 

[FairwayDodger]

Agree with that, trouble is that it is difficult to name another Tory party member who would do a better job.

Indeed, all the viable alternatives seem worse. Let's hope she can hold it together!

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

May's interview by Marr was a 'through the fingers' excruciating watch - seemed lost as to what she felt she could say and what she felt she couldn't - you could sense that Marr was almost desperate for her to allow herself to speak honestly...to release herself from the agony she seems to go through in interviews. And I don't believe it is shyness - I believe it's that she just does not believe in what she feels she has t say - and because she is not sure of what she has to say - she sounds lost, evasive and totally unauthentic.

Sorry TM. that was not good.

After all - in one breath you were telling us that a period of transition - an implementation period - was critical for business so that it did not suffer too badly in March 2019 - yet minutes later you were telling us that No Deal is better than a bad Deal. But PM...there is no smooth post March 2019 transition to a No Deal even if a No Deal transition process is put in place in the lead up to March 2019. And if you do that you cannot be as fully focussed on getting the Deal you still want as you say the government will be - and if you start to prepare for No Deal then you are showing your hand to the EU in a very big way.

Please do yourself a favour. Dump them and then tell us the truth about the Brexit negotiations and the advice you are being given about life outside of the EU - especially in the case of a No Deal.

And just sack Johnson - it may cause your party serious issues but you need a cathartic moment and too many Tories don't seem to give a hoot about you - and that's putting it nicely. You deserve it for putting up with such a nest of vipers and for trying to sell something that I think you believe will be an utter disaster.

 

[drdel]

Indeed, all the viable alternatives seem worse. Let's hope she can hold it together!

I have to agree. In the beginning I thought (hoped) she'd stand up to the plate. However I've become less impressed as time has gone on. She landed a posion chalice with Barnier simply using delaying tactics to hanging onto to his spot in the llimelight in order to get Juncker's job and the rest of the Tory 'big-wigs' palying silly beggars.

 

[FairwayDodger]

I have to agree. In the beginning I thought (hoped) she'd stand up to the plate. However I've become less impressed as time has gone on. She landed a posion chalice with Barnier simply using delaying tactics to hanging onto to his spot in the llimelight in order to get Juncker's job and the rest of the Tory 'big-wigs' palying silly beggars.

She did indeed land a poisoned chalice. I tend to agree with SILH that she's bought into seeing through the result of the referendum despite believing it's not a good move for the country. I can't decide if I'd rather she keeps on trying to make the best of a bad situation and minimise the damage or whether she should hand control over to one of the leave evangelists. Would a more gung-ho approach from a true believer result in a better outcome? Dunno.

 

[drdel]

She did indeed land a poisoned chalice. I tend to agree with SILH that she's bought into seeing through the result of the referendum despite believing it's not a good move for the country. I can't decide if I'd rather she keeps on trying to make the best of a bad situation and minimise the damage or whether she should hand control over to one of the leave evangelists. Would a more gung-ho approach from a true believer result in a better outcome? Dunno.

I like to think there is a deal to be had.

Unfortunately IMO the EU is treating the UK to the same tactics it used on Greece and others. The 'system' doesn't handle disagreement and 'it' doesn't understand how to negotiate or have the capability because, while the nominated officials are said to be in charge, the 27 have vote so in theory everyone's in charge but actually no ONE is in command.

Management by committee - its a mess which will only be solved if the UK agrees to whatever the EU dreams up.

 

[User62651]

She did indeed land a poisoned chalice. I tend to agree with SILH that she's bought into seeing through the result of the referendum despite believing it's not a good move for the country. I can't decide if I'd rather she keeps on trying to make the best of a bad situation and minimise the damage or whether she should hand control over to one of the leave evangelists. Would a more gung-ho approach from a true believer result in a better outcome? Dunno.

Agree - The longer this goes on you do have to wonder if a true leaver should take the reins.


Patterson on Sky raised a chuckle when he had 3 anxious younger tories lined up for interview, first Q - "So how do you solve a problem like Theresa?" .....cue sniggering all round.
Lightened the mood...yet they still all towed the party line....... oh for some honesty and straight answers in politics.