Theresa May - Not up to the Job of PM?

[Hacker Khan]

I see the front of The Sunday Times is reporting the big 4 in the cabinet are all maneuvering to take over.

Still, at least all this government infighting is not occurring at one of the mos important political moments in our nation for many decades. That's all good then....

 

[Doon frae Troon]

I see the front of The Sunday Times is reporting the big 4 in the cabinet are all maneuvering to take over.

Still, at least all this government infighting is not occurring at one of the mos important political moments in our nation for many decades. That's all good then....

Carpetbaggers putting their own selfish egos ahead of the good of the nation........true to type, but we did collectively elect them, did we not.

 

[Hobbit]

Still, at least all this government infighting is not occurring at one of the mos important political moments in our nation for many decades. That's all good then....

That's a cheap shot. Pretty much every govt of every flavour has had internal strife, the timing of which has always been irrelevant.

 

[Old Skier]

That's a cheap shot. Pretty much every govt of every flavour has had internal strife, the timing of which has always been irrelevant.

People seem to conveniently forget how many have jumped ship out of Jeezers shadow cabinet

 

[Hacker Khan]

That's a cheap shot. Pretty much every govt of every flavour has had internal strife, the timing of which has always been irrelevant.

Disagree, so they get a free pass and the nation has to accept the fact that all parties have internal squabbles over rides the need for a coherent and unified policy on one of the most important calls a government has had to make in 50 odd years?

 

[Hacker Khan]

People seem to conveniently forget how many have jumped ship out of Jeezers shadow cabinet

What ever Labour say is irrelevant, they are not in power, with Jezzer in charge they never will be.

I want my government to have a clear policy, to have a workable policy and unified agreement to take us forward into a brave new Brexit world. If you are willing to not worry about that and instead moan about what a mostly irrelevant opposition say then I feel you are missing the point. The Tories are in power, they need to step up to the plate, show us what they have got. They are driving the ship, they are calling the shots. Who called the referendum, who triggered article 50 , who called a snap election, who is asking for a 2 year extension now?

 

[User62651]

read this on twitter earlier re treatment of May by her own party - good analogy I thought.

"It's like the scene in a Bruce Willis movie where the terrorist that is already shot gets used as a human sandbag to help him get from point A to point B. That is what the party is doing with her at the moment."

 

[Foxholer]

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I want my government to have a clear policy, to have a workable policy and unified agreement to take us forward into a brave new Brexit world....

Then I'm afraid you are whistling in the wind! And would be whether it's this government or any other!

They may be a clear 'general direction' that evolve into policy, but actual policy is still a 'work in progress' liable to change depending on how negotiations pan out!

Workable? Well any result is actually 'workable', but detailed policy is likely to either be too woolly to really be termed 'policy' or too easily shot down by events at the negotiating table.

As for 'unified agreement'! Absolutely impossible! It'll be a result if it pleases a decent percentage of either MPs (of any/all flavours) or the electorate!

So it'll be down to negotiation and communication to achieve - or at least convince folk of the achievement of - the best result possible!

At least May has shown that she IS actually open to modifying 'policy', something I've feared would not happen even when shown to be virtually impossible to achieve! I don't believe that's a weakness, even though some of the Press seem to want to push this as 'splits'!

 

[Old Skier]

I want my government to have a clear policy, to have a workable policy and unified agreement to take us forward into a brave new Brexit world. If you are willing to not worry about that and instead moan about what a mostly irrelevant opposition say then I feel you are missing the point. The Tories are in power, they need to step up to the plate, show us what they have got. They are driving the ship, they are calling the shots. Who called the referendum, who triggered article 50 , who called a snap election, who is asking for a 2 year extension now?

No argument from me on this but I would prefer to go further and say it is the duty of all elected officials to assist in the smooth transition out of the EU instead of petty point scoring and assist the elected government in the process by not muddying the waters.

 

[Hobbit]

Disagree, so they get a free pass and the nation has to accept the fact that all parties have internal squabbles over rides the need for a coherent and unified policy on one of the most important calls a government has had to make in 50 odd years?

I don't disagree with your sentiment but why post it in a sarcastic, cheap way? And I absolutely agree with your subsequent post about stepping up to the plate.

I thought Blair's latter days were bad and only got worse under Brown. I didn't think I'd see a govt so bad but I have now. Could Labour do better? I doubt it.

 

[larmen]

Are people following the German election?
Merkel: The result is not the clear result we wanted, and we had etc take the concerns of the other voters into account.

The last UK GE?
May: Nothing has changed, we have a clear mandate, ... even if that means paying the Irish guys from the newly found money tree.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I see the front of The Sunday Times is reporting the big 4 in the cabinet are all maneuvering to take over.

Still, at least all this government infighting is not occurring at one of the mos important political moments in our nation for many decades. That's all good then....

The four of them...engaged in a willy waving exercise whilst their boss struggles to keep afloat and find some path and navigate it to an unknown place that's called 'Out of the EU' - but at the moment is a place no-one can can agree about - where it is exactly what it's like and what will happen when we get there. If these were not Tory Party favourites the right wing press would be calling them traitors.

And so I can only conclude that the plan I was assured was in place before Art50 was triggered - you know - that plan that the Tories were keeping close to their chest as they did't want to show all their cards before negotiations started - remember that one? Yes well - I can only conclude that May has lost it - or the others have torn it up. Because she is not giving the country (well me anyway) much in the way of a strong feeling that she knows what she is doing and where she wants to take us. I ask - So where are we going Prime Minister? to which comes comes the reply 'we are going to Brexit. And where is Brexit Prime Minister - is it close to Nambia'

I might giggle in a schadenfreudian way were this not all so blasted serious

 

[Hacker Khan]

No argument from me on this but I would prefer to go further and say it is the duty of all elected officials to assist in the smooth transition out of the EU instead of petty point scoring and assist the elected government in the process by not muddying the waters.

I suppose it depends where the dividing line is between holding a government to account that wishes to ignore parliament and push forwards lots of legislation based on the say so of ministers and 'assisting in the smooth transition'.

 

[Hacker Khan]

I don't disagree with your sentiment but why post it in a sarcastic, cheap way? And I absolutely agree with your subsequent post about stepping up to the plate.

I thought Blair's latter days were bad and only got worse under Brown. I didn't think I'd see a govt so bad but I have now. Could Labour do better? I doubt it.

Some people make a point through well reasoned argument, some through repeating the same thing over and over again and some through sarcasm and poor attempts at satire. Take your pick for which one I am.

I am now at the point where when I explain to my daughter why we are bequeathing such a cluster to her generation I want to say something a bit more than 'well Labour would not have done any better'.

They probably would have not, Ms Abbott was again on the radio this morning failing to convince anyone of her competence or Labour's position. But as I have said, they did not get themselves into this very fine mess, so whilst some possibly alternatives would be great, it isn't their problem. But it is the Tory parties, who from my viewpoint are making a right horlicks of it.

 

[Foxholer]

...But it is the Tory parties...

:thup: :rofl:

Accidental I'm sure; but perfectly put!

 

[FairwayDodger]

I see the front of The Sunday Times is reporting the big 4 in the cabinet are all maneuvering to take over.

Still, at least all this government infighting is not occurring at one of the mos important political moments in our nation for many decades. That's all good then....

Very frustrating as the tories, once again, appear to be putting self-interest above the good of the country.

 

[Slime]

Very frustrating as the tories, once again, appear to be putting self-interest above the good of the country.

They are politicians ...................... what do you expect?
You think Corbyn would be any different?

 

[FairwayDodger]

They are politicians ...................... what do you expect?
You think Corbyn would be any different?

I'm not a great fan of Corbyn but I don't think he's the bogeyman the right wing think he is. To answer your question, yes, I think he'd be very different.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

German election followed what happened in Scotland.........12% swing to the far right.

 

[User62651]

German election followed what happened in Scotland.........12% swing to the far right.

Can you clarify - is far right and nationalism the same thing though? Are you saying in Germany it's a swing towards independence from the EU that has to be right wing, why not left leaning nationalists as well? Up here nationalism support is generally nearly all left of centre as the only viable right wing option (Tories) is very pro UK.