Theresa May - Not up to the Job of PM?

[drdel]

Still not sure I've seen an explanation on how The Supreme Leader will deliver nett immigration in the 10s of thousands, given #1 Brexit guru and champion @SR has told us repeatedly that immigration will be managed to the level that the economy requires.

And also what happens to the nett 167,000 non-EU immigrants - many of whom voted to Leave on the understanding that the rules would be relaxed to enable more from South Asia to come to the UK post Brexit.

Its pretty clear from your repeated comments/opinions on here, the election and Brexit threads that you are not a fan of the PM/Tories, Brexit, etc and nothing will alter your doctrine so any attempt to answer is pointless.

 

[IanM]

And also what happens to the nett 167,000 non-EU immigrants - many of whom voted to Leave on the understanding that the rules would be relaxed to enable more from South Asia to come to the UK post Brexit.

Gosh, if you went round to ask all those folk how and why they voted, how do you find time to post on here?

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Its pretty clear from your repeated comments/opinions on here, the election and Brexit threads that you are not a fan of the PM/Tories, Brexit, etc and nothing will alter your doctrine so any attempt to answer is pointless.

So what's the answer then...The Supreme Leader has made it clear that this is what's going to be n her manifesto. Or is there no answer so just answer with a personal attack on the person who asked the question.

I note that @SR has been totally silent on this - he who would have immigration at the level required by the economy to answer how that stacks up against 10s of thousands.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Gosh, if you went round to ask all those folk how and why they voted, how do you find time to post on here?

And so you've got the answer for me so that I don't have to ask again...go on then - 10s of thousands - how and when?

Or is The Supreme Leader so revered and untouchable that no matter what she says she must not be questioned or doubted - and when she spouts rubbish - well that's OK because all politicians spout rubbish. No matter that she sells herself as honest and straight.

 

[IanM]

Nope, I haven't a clue, each of us has their own reason(s) for how they voted..... your post stated otherwise

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Nope, I haven't a clue, each of us has their own reason(s) for how they voted..... your post stated otherwise

So do you think the 10s of thousands pledge is realistic in any way whatsoever - or is it just dog-whistle politics aimed at those who voted for Brexit on the grounds of strict immigration control. Get their votes; get their Tory MP; then tell all that the pledge is going to be impossible to deliver in one parliament, so you'll have to put the Tories in again in 2021/2 and 2026/7.

The Supreme Leader - Stable and Secure - Honest and Straight. Yup that's our Theresa.

 

[Old Skier]

Is this about whether the current PM is up for the job or just an extention thread for SILH and his fishers of men to express their hatred on all things that don't agree with them. What has immigration, Scottish Independence and Bexit got to do with it or is the opposition just a bunch of one trick ponies.

Funny how one of the countries leading political journalist and a staunch Labour man thinks the Brexit issue has moved to the back burner with the majority of the public.

 

[User62651]

Is this about whether the current PM is up for the job or just an extention thread for SILH and his fishers of men to express their hatred on all things that don't agree with them. What has immigration, Scottish Independence and Brexit got to do with it or is the opposition just a bunch of one trick ponies.

Funny how one of the countries leading political journalist and a staunch Labour man thinks the Brexit issue has moved to the back burner with the majority of the public.

Are they not three of the most important UK issues facing the current PM so are part of her job and hence relevant to thread 'Not up to the Job of PM?' - there is a question mark there so it's up for debate. Some will defend her others attack, dont see the issue? You give as good as you get on here, is that not the point of the forum?

 

[Old Skier]

From a public point of view Brexit and Scottish Independence have been dealt with in a democratic vote, now it's up to the next political party to deal with the consequences. Surely there are other issues without banging on with issues that are going on in other threads.

Just a thought.

 

[User62651]

From a public point of view Brexit and Scottish Independence have been dealt with in a democratic vote, now it's up to the next political party to deal with the consequences. Surely there are other issues without banging on with issues that are going on in other threads.

Just a thought.

Topics do wander across threads, that's true. Mods usually sort categorisation/crossover/duplication issues.

Mods...... MODS......... MAWWWDDS!!

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Is this about whether the current PM is up for the job or just an extention thread for SILH and his fishers of men to express their hatred on all things that don't agree with them. What has immigration, Scottish Independence and Bexit got to do with it or is the opposition just a bunch of one trick ponies.

Funny how one of the countries leading political journalist and a staunch Labour man thinks the Brexit issue has moved to the back burner with the majority of the public.

She might be up for the job - the question was whether she is up to it. At the outset I thought she might be but that thought went out the window months ago as soon as she started on her 'Leaving means out of the SM and out of the CU - but I'll still get us the best deal and a free trade agreement' and more recently on her 10s of thousand nett immigration pledge nonsense. Add to that her cynical ploy in calling a GE when she said she wouldn't with the simple objective of wiping out Labour and getting a huge parliamentary majority to justify whatever she wants to put in her manifesto - most of which won't make one iota of impact on the thinking of the many who will voter for their Tory Party candidate - because they revere The Supreme Leader.

And Brexit is crucial because it is all that May is really talking about and it is on Brexit negotiations that she chooses to draw the distinction between herself and Corbyn. And it is all smoke and mirrors - she is not what she is acting - she is doing and saying what Lynton Crosby is telling her to do, and afrter the election and into the EU negotiations I fear we will see The Supreme Leaders new clothes for what they are - non-existent.

 

[Hobbit]

Do I think she's up to the job? I'm not sure.

Do I think Corbyn is? Not ever!

Do I think wee Nicola is? Maybe, but she'll never get enough seats in the HoC.

Tim Farron? Hahahahahhahahahahha.... breathe..... hahahahahahahaha

But when did it become a popularity contest?

Whose policies are best for the country? I thought we vote for a particular set of policies and manifesto?

Ok, lets look at it from the policy perspective, and lets say we choose May, seeing as its her performance that the thread is about. Vote on policy, and if she's not up to the job she'll get booted to the back benches.

 

[SocketRocket]

So what's the answer then...The Supreme Leader has made it clear that this is what's going to be n her manifesto. Or is there no answer so just answer with a personal attack on the person who asked the question.

I note that @SR has been totally silent on this - he who would have immigration at the level required by the economy to answer how that stacks up against 10s of thousands.

I answered that question but you seem to be either too lazy or too blinkerd to accept it. Now go read it and the apologise to me . You wont like what I have said though.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I answered that question but you seem to be either too lazy or too blinkerd to accept it. Now go read it and the apologise to me . You wont like what I have said though.

Go on then - just paraphrase how 10s of thousands aligns with 'what the economy needs' - and why the 10s of thousands idea that you seem to dismiss is now OK - or is it.

Just for everyone else who can't be bothered ploughing back through the posts - because it is a question that many are asking and we need to know.

I found this

Maybe 100,000 is enough to meet the ecconomic needs of the country, maybe it's too many as you keep telling us that after Brexit we will be on our knees and impoverished with no jobs, young people...

Is that it. Is that the best you've got. Pretty feeble.

How does she know that under 100,000 will meet the economic needs of the country? Because she is pledging under 100,000.

How does she get the non-EU immigration level down by a huge number (nett 169,000 - huge cf 10s of thousands) when many from India, Pakistan expect non-EU immigration from those countries to increase when we are out?

Ah - and your last words are prophetic - when things post-Brexit aren't quite the land of milk and honey where unicorns abound, it will be the fault of Remainers talking the country down before we left. Yup. We are the problem. Obvious really.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Do I think she's up to the job? I'm not sure.

Do I think Corbyn is? Not ever!

Do I think wee Nicola is? Maybe, but she'll never get enough seats in the HoC.

Tim Farron? Hahahahahhahahahahha.... breathe..... hahahahahahahaha

But when did it become a popularity contest?

Whose policies are best for the country? I thought we vote for a particular set of policies and manifesto?

Ok, lets look at it from the policy perspective, and lets say we choose May, seeing as its her performance that the thread is about. Vote on policy, and if she's not up to the job she'll get booted to the back benches.

May and the RWP have made it a popularity and personality contest...

Let's see what the Theresa May Manifesto says today.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Don't they have male candidates ?

I don't know. When I posted I had not seen it confirmed that the (female) NHA Party candidate would stand under a Progressive Alliance banner. Election leaflet through yesterday evening indicates that she is.

 

[SocketRocket]

Go on then - just paraphrase how 10s of thousands aligns with 'what the economy needs' - and why the 10s of thousands idea that you seem to dismiss is now OK - or is it.

Just for everyone else who can't be bothered ploughing back through the posts - because it is a question that many are asking and we need to know.

So you are too lazy to read it even though you accused me of not answering a number of times

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

So you are too lazy to read it even though you accused me of not answering a number of times

yup - but I did - as I guessed that you wouldn't

 

[chrisd]

Just a very hypothetical question.

Should the Lib Dems win the election (I know, stop laughing at the back of the class) is their manifesto saying that we will have vote on the terms negotiated to say

1 - if we vote against them we will order renegotiation until they get it right

2 - or, will we ask to stay in the EU

 

[Foxholer]

...
But when did it become a popularity contest?

Whose policies are best for the country? I thought we vote for a particular set of policies and manifesto?
...

It has really ALWAYS been a popularity contest!! With policies/manifesto having a minor role!

While I have some reservations about her ability as PM, she seems the 'best' in her party currently. There's no likelihood of her being challenged by Labour while Corbyn is leader; Lib-Dems are currently in disarray, with no real leadership; UKIP is disintegrating after achieving its primary objective; SNP might 'own' all Scottish electorate, but has no real influence at Westminster! So she happens to have 'timed' it rather well and may grow into the role!