The UK - Vote for our independence from Scotland

[MarkA]

I think under all her vitriol, bitterness and hot air she is scared witless that Scotland would have to manage their economy on the taxes she could raise in the country and without the Barnett gold to subsidise their Marxist agenda.

I think she's more scared about what she could manage the Scottish economy on because 5.3 Million people aren't going to pay the bills particularly with the nasty little wobble the oil market threw earlier in the year that just about shut Aberdeen down! if you remember Salmond made not one proposal about where the money was coming from, now come 2017 with the Euro referendum that'll be the next rallying point for the ginger whinger! but Scotland has got no chance of qualifying for Euro membership on its own because lets face it the place is like Albania with decent Golf Courses.

 

[6inchcup]

I think under all her vitriol, bitterness and hot air she is scared witless that Scotland would have to manage their economy on the taxes she could raise in the country and without the Barnett gold to subsidise their Marxist agenda.

and that is whats coming,keep them in the uk but make them manage their own tax and spend,no subsidised tax payers dosh,when the voters realise paradise isnt tartan coloured the bubble will burst,as for telling our PM what he has to do,dont make me laugh,what is she going to do !!!! stop imports of DUNDEE cake.

 

[Spuddy]

I think she's more scared about what she could manage the Scottish economy on because 5.3 Million people aren't going to pay the bills particularly with the nasty little wobble the oil market threw earlier in the year that just about shut Aberdeen down! if you remember Salmond made not one proposal about where the money was coming from, now come 2017 with the Euro referendum that'll be the next rallying point for the ginger whinger! but Scotland has got no chance of qualifying for Euro membership on its own because lets face it the place is like Albania with decent Golf Courses.

That's just ridiculous. With no oil revenue (zero/zilch/nada) the GDP is still 99% of the UK as a whole (almost $38000). Albania's is about $11000 per person

 

[MarkA]

That's just ridiculous. With no oil revenue (zero/zilch/nada) the GDP is still 99% of the UK as a whole (almost $38000). Albania's is about $11000 per person

I meant lawless, full of bandits and you can't understand a word they say.

 

[Spuddy]

I meant lawless, full of bandits and you can't understand a word they say.

I'd agree with the second one, especially at my course.

 

[Foxholer]

Is it just me that thinks that the folks on here who keep coming up with the 'you lost get over it' statement every second post are starting to appear a bit desperate.

Er...Yes!

I think under all her vitriol, bitterness and hot air she is scared witless that Scotland would have to manage their economy on the taxes she could raise in the country and without the Barnett gold to subsidise their Marxist agenda.

Well, given that the 'Barnett gold' is supposedly equivalent to 'the taxes she could raise in the country', there doesn't seem to be any (non alcohol induced) logic in that statement!

I think she's more scared about what she could manage the Scottish economy on because 5.3 Million people aren't going to pay the bills particularly with the nasty little wobble the oil market threw earlier in the year that just about shut Aberdeen down! if you remember Salmond made not one proposal about where the money was coming from, now come 2017 with the Euro referendum that'll be the next rallying point for the ginger whinger! but Scotland has got no chance of qualifying for Euro membership on its own because lets face it the place is like Albania with decent Golf Courses.

And there's none in that post either! Plenty of countries (European or otherwise) of 5 Million or less have quite satisfactory economies!

 

[Old Skier]

My wife just cannot get over how nasty she sounds. It's always Cameron this and Cameron that never even bothering to use his first name. The world would go mad if he referred to her the same way.

HIDs not even a conservative supporter, funny what women pick up on.

 

[FairwayDodger]

My wife just cannot get over how nasty she sounds. It's always Cameron this and Cameron that never even bothering to use his first name. The world would go mad if he referred to her the same way.

HIDs not even a conservative supporter, funny what women pick up on.

To be honest, I can't remember her ever talking about DC without using both his first and last names. I dislike her intensely but for her policies and politicking - a lot of the petty nonsense like this and downright sexism elsewhere just annoys me.

 

[Slab]

My wife just cannot get over how nasty she sounds. It's always Cameron this and Cameron that never even bothering to use his first name. The world would go mad if he referred to her the same way.

HIDs not even a conservative supporter, funny what women pick up on.

To be honest, I can't remember her ever talking about DC without using both his first and last names. I dislike her intensely but for her policies and politicking - a lot of the petty nonsense like this and downright sexism elsewhere just annoys me.

Jees I thought we were in for a fight for a minute

Reading Old Skier's post I thought he was talking about his wife & it was only when FD said she disliked her intensely that I thought, hang on a minute that cant be right!

Phew

 

[Adi2Dassler]

Please remember not all of us up here want to split the UK nor do we all support the SNP

Not yet, give it time.

Just for the record, nowhere near 50% "of Scots" voted to leave. I think it was 37%.

Indeed.Give it 15 years and the coffin dodging No majority will be gone.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

What is actually to be gained from granting FFA/FFR to Holyrood.

Grant it and things go well over timescales of a parliament let's say? - then that rather reinforces the SNP raison d'etre and calls for another referendum.

Grant it and things go badly wrong? - though it might put the kibosh on calls for another referendum it risks the resurrection of the Labour Party in Scotland and would no doubt initiate calls from Holyrood for support from the Westminster government - and these calls might be hard to ignore given a crashing Scottish economy could have a significant detrimental effect on the economy of the rest of the UK.

So why would the new government bother?

 

[FairwayDodger]

Indeed.Give it 15 years and the coffin dodging No majority will be gone.

This has been a really sad subtext in the aftermath of the referendum, the vilification of those who voted no. Imagine being a Paisley pensioner now and knowing your MP thinks you shouldn't be able to vote. Trouble for you is lots of "yes" voters will be 15 years older and wiser and will have changed their mind on independence. And I'll be among the new generation of despised coffin dodgers.

 

[Adi2Dassler]

This has been a really sad subtext in the aftermath of the referendum, the vilification of those who voted no. Imagine being a Paisley pensioner now and knowing your MP thinks you shouldn't be able to vote. Trouble for you is lots of "yes" voters will be 15 years older and wiser and will have changed their mind on independence. And I'll be among the new generation of despised coffin dodgers.

I'm not vilifying anyone.It's a fact that The pensioners vote really swung it last year.Once they all pass away the chances of yes winning improve.

I don't despise any age demographic, I'm just stating the obvious.Take the emotion out of it, stop being so delicate and appreciate it as being true.

 

[Adi2Dassler]

I'm also looking for some help re: Full Fiscal Autonomy.


Does it include stuff like VAT and Excise duty? Taxation on oil and gas? Would we be allowed to vary these things?

Or is it just taxation on folk/companies?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Not yet, give it time.



Indeed.Give it 15 years and the coffin dodging No majority will be gone.

What a sad post to read

 

[Hobbit]

I'm not vilifying anyone.It's a fact that The pensioners vote really swung it last year.Once they all pass away the chances of yes winning improve.

I don't despise any age demographic, I'm just stating the obvious.Take the emotion out of it, stop being so delicate and appreciate it as being true.

Equally, things might not go so well and there might even be a bigger "no" vote. Appreciate you're probably right if things go well but who knows...

 

[Adi2Dassler]

What a sad post to read

Pass the hankies, Phil's havin a moment

 

[Adi2Dassler]

Equally, things might not go so well and there might even be a bigger "no" vote. Appreciate you're probably right if things go well but who knows...

Ah, but given we're under the iron rule of Cameron,Osbourne,Bojo and IDS, we'll be able to blame them.

Hurrah!

 

[Lord Tyrion]

I'm also looking for some help re: Full Fiscal Autonomy.


Does it include stuff like VAT and Excise duty? Taxation on oil and gas? Would we be allowed to vary these things?

Or is it just taxation on folk/companies?

That is to be discussed. From what I have heard they will put restrictions on certain items so that they can not undermine the rest of the UK, eg having a lower rate of VAT or corporation tax. They may be able to increase the key taxes and keep the extra revenue but they will not be able to reduce them. What comes out in the final mix is still to be seen though.

 

[FairwayDodger]

I'm not vilifying anyone.It's a fact that The pensioners vote really swung it last year.Once they all pass away the chances of yes winning improve.

I don't despise any age demographic, I'm just stating the obvious.Take the emotion out of it, stop being so delicate and appreciate it as being true.

Perhaps you don't and using the term "coffin dodgers" was just light hearted, but it chimes with some pretty nasty stuff from nats.

Anyway, as I said, the youngsters will grow up and many of them will change their minds. I also reckon that plenty of middle aged folk who voted "yes" this time might have a different perspective when they are pensioners and will be considering different issues when making their minds up, so I think you might be disappointed; it's not just this batch of pensioners that would vote "no".

I also think this is the SNP's peak. They've manipulated the electorate in quite a masterful style but they'll never keep all their MPs "on message" and will soon be leaking support...... At least, that's what I hope!