The UK - Vote for our independence from Scotland

[NWJocko]

I know plenty of folk who voted SNP and don't want independence. It wasn't in the manifesto. If it is in next year's manifesto then they might vote for someone else if they still don't want it.

Agreed.

It sounds as if it is likely to be in their manifesto. Salmond was on the radio this morning and his "generation" seems to be particularly short!!

Given their position of strength just now I'd be amazed if it wasn't in their manifesto for the next Holyrood election. Pleased, but amazed.

 

[Imurg]

I know plenty of folk who voted SNP and don't want independence. It wasn't in the manifesto. .

By that logic, the Greens should have taken all the stuff about saving the planet out of their manifesto, they might have got a few more votes. Or maybe UKIP should have skipped the bit in theirs about leaving Europe........after all, if its not in the manifesto.........

 

[Doon frae Troon]

As you seem to have spectacularly failed to grasp my point (and I'm fairly sure it is because you are being deliberately bloody minded and obtuse) I will spell it out for you.......

50% vote FOR the SNP and that IS the clear will of the Scottish people.

56% vote AGAINST what the SNP want and that ISN'T conclusive.

CLUE - A smaller percentage voting for what you want is seen as decisive. A larger percentage voting against what you want is not decisive.

Or to put it another way, the SNP and the losing pro-independence campaigners are a bunch of hypocrites. Is that clear enough for you?

A referendum and a GE are two totally different things.
If 50% of England voted Tory and they won 94% of the available seats, would you view that as the settled will of the English people ?

 

[Doon frae Troon]

What happened to "the settled will of the Scottish people" Doon?

Or is it it only that when you have the upper hand

At Westminster it became a lot stronger. I thought that would have been obvious to everyone.

 

[alexbrownmp]

A referendum and a GE are two totally different things.
If 50% of England voted Tory and they won 94% of the available seats, would you view that as the settled will of the English people ?

ColchesterFC makes a very valid point- you are adopting the typical SNP stance of ignorance, ignoring, deflection and unsubstanciated statements.

\it is very clear on here that facts are ignored when it comes to the SNP and their followers who do appear to blindly follow from I have seen and questioned

 

[Spuddy]

ColchesterFC makes a very valid point- you are adopting the typical SNP stance of ignorance, ignoring, deflection and unsubstanciated statements.

\it is very clear on here that facts are ignored when it comes to the SNP and their followers who do appear to blindly follow from I have seen and questioned

I think the point is that 50% of the vote in a multi party election is far more decisive than 55.25% in a yes/no election. They are both 'decisive' but one is more so than the other. It's not ignorant, deflecting the result or unsubstantiated.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

ColchesterFC makes a very valid point- you are adopting the typical SNP stance of ignorance, ignoring, deflection and unsubstanciated statements.

\it is very clear on here that facts are ignored when it comes to the SNP and their followers who do appear to blindly follow from I have seen and questioned

Sorry but I think you are both well wide of the mark when talking about Scotland today
Where do you think the massive amount of additional SNP votes came from ?
Pro rata in England would have resulted in 3,000........yes 3,000 Tory seats.

My 90 year old lifelong Tory supporting mum voted SNP.
Hogan's 84 year old lifelong Labour supporting mum voted SNP.

 

[PhilTheFragger]

Yeh - and permitted by the mods

Tolerated by the mods on the basis that
1. It's not gotten out of hand ....yet
2. Nobody has reported a problem with the thread.

People are allowed their opinions and sometimes they will differ from yours
Feel free to debate, but know when to stop and agree to disagree , before it degenerates into handbags @ 5 paces
Thank you
The "Management"

 

[FairwayDodger]

I think the point is that 50% of the vote in a multi party election is far more decisive than 55.25% in a yes/no election. They are both 'decisive' but one is more so than the other. It's not ignorant, deflecting the result or unsubstantiated.

Not really, all it means is that the additional options split the vote.

It's a better result for the SNP than the referendum in terms of percentage of votes cast, but a worse result in terms of %age of the electorate supporting them.

And of course, a massive landslide in terms of FPTP but that's been debated elsewhere.

 

[Foxholer]

Another thread full of casual racism towards us Scottish

Nope!

Simply classic 'Pommie Whingeing' imo! An apparent national trait, so if you want to charge me with 'racism' feel free!

I'm sure if a referendum was taken and Scots were ejected from the Union, then around 50% - possibly even more - would be quite pleased - even with the current oil price!

 

[FairwayDodger]

Sorry but I think you are both well wide of the mark when talking about Scotland today
Where do you think the massive amount of additional SNP votes came from ?
Pro rata in England would have resulted in 3,000........yes 3,000 Tory seats.

My 90 year old lifelong Tory supporting mum voted SNP.
Hogan's 84 year old lifelong Labour supporting mum voted SNP.

That'd be a good trick, winning 3000 out of 533 seats.

 

[MarkA]

Another thread full of casual racism towards us Scottish

Christ Almighty we've had to listen to months bile coming from the SNP firstly on the referendum and latterly the General Election about how dreadful Scotland is under Westminster - Just maybe it might be nice if you consider that there is another point of view that hasn't been tested, You had your shout and you wanted to stay, we were never asked if we wanted to keep you! Consider too the unexplained Tory majority was probably born on the back of Sturgeon gobbing off about her wanting to be the tail that wagged the dog and we weren't prepared to have that.Unfortunately from the Scottish point of view its just me me me! Be nice if we worked together but Sturgeon appears to have pooh poohed that idea and thank god that Labour fell short as the idea of Sturgeon and Salmond pulling Millibands strings were too horrid to contemplate. We get a say in 2017 hopefully about Europe and no doubt you'll want off again - the thing is you actually haven't got anything to hang your hats on, the oil price should have focused your mind about how precarious the Independent Scottish idea is so button the racism thing and how about acting as part of a United Kingdom rather than as having such jaundiced view of everyone South of the Border.

 

[DCB]

Christ Almighty we've had to listen to months bile coming from the SNP firstly on the referendum and latterly the General Election about how dreadful Scotland is under Westminster - Just maybe it might be nice if you consider that there is another point of view that hasn't been tested, You had your shout and you wanted to stay, we were never asked if we wanted to keep you! Consider too the unexplained Tory majority was probably born on the back of Sturgeon gobbing off about her wanting to be the tail that wagged the dog and we weren't prepared to have that.Unfortunately from the Scottish point of view its just me me me! Be nice if we worked together but Sturgeon appears to have pooh poohed that idea and thank god that Labour fell short as the idea of Sturgeon and Salmond pulling Millibands strings were too horrid to contemplate. We get a say in 2017 hopefully about Europe and no doubt you'll want off again - the thing is you actually haven't got anything to hang your hats on, the oil price should have focused your mind about how precarious the Independent Scottish idea is so button the racism thing and how about acting as part of a United Kingdom rather than as having such jaundiced view of everyone South of the Border.

Please remember not all of us up here want to split the UK nor do we all support the SNP

 

[SocketRocket]

Nope!

Simply classic 'Pommie Whingeing' imo! An apparent national trait, so if you want to charge me with 'racism' feel free!

I'm sure if a referendum was taken and Scots were ejected from the Union, then around 50% - possibly even more - would be quite pleased - even with the current oil price!

Bit biased that. No mention of Scottish whinging, how can you accuse English and not them with all the rhetoric that has been stirred up recently.

Seeing that almost 50% of Scots voted to leave the UK in the recent referendum you would expect them to be pleased if they were voted out.

You could move to Scotland or even back to NZ if you find us so unpalatable. Don't bite the hand that feeds you mate!

 

[MarkA]

Please remember not all of us up here want to split the UK nor do we all support the SNP

I realise that, but unfortunately theres not enough of you saying that!

 

[DCB]

I realise that, but unfortunately theres not enough of you saying that!

You'd be surprised. It's just that we aren't as noisy and "in your face" as some people

 

[Fade and Die]

I started this Poll as a bit of fun, also so we English could have a bit of a moan about the Scots, but as usual its turned into an Hibernian whingefest!

Unfortunately that seems to be the way of the Celt, all defiant and at the same time pitiful as they honestly couldn't run a whelkstall without a bunch of sectarian infighting, bigotry and racial hatred. Sorry if this comes across as a bit strong, but I've been a reader of this forum for over a year and so many threads go this way.

I liked Scotland when I visited, but Scotland has a Millwall syndrome... No one likes us.. We don't care..........when in reality, no one cares about Scotland.Please just stop the whining as it bores the rest of the UK senseless. I like the jocks, a funny and pleasant race when they are not having an inferiority complex moment.:thup:

 

[Foxholer]

Bit biased that. No mention of Scottish whinging, how can you accuse English and not them with all the rhetoric that has been stirred up recently.

I'd have classified the Scottish style as more 'unsubtle outrage' rather than 'whingeing'!

Seeing that almost 50% of Scots voted to leave the UK in the recent referendum you would expect them to be pleased if they were voted out.

My point precisely!

You could move to Scotland or even back to NZ if you find us so unpalatable. Don't bite the hand that feeds you mate!

Notwithstanding the fact that i did live and work in Scotland for a significant period - so believe it gives me a perspective that others (like yourself?) may not have - please point out where I stated anything about 'unpalatable'! And I don't believe our relationship is one of 'mates' either! Though there are as many ways to say that - with as many meanings - as there are of the Scottish 'Pal'!

As 2/3rds of my working life has been in UK, I figure I've made more than my share of contributions to the economy! A few years yet before I become a (deserved) bludger from the 'investment' I've made!

 

[Doon frae Troon]

That'd be a good trick, winning 3000 out of 533 seats.

Just to show the scale......as I think you know

 

[Hobbit]

Just to show the scale......as I think you know

There's the Cons with 331 seats, and Labour with 232 and then there's the SNP with 56. Its a democracy and the SNP came a very distant 3rd. You can paint any picture you like but the numbers say it all. You're a noisy mosquito buzzying around the light making lots of irritating noise... but you're nowt more than that.

And we've already got Nicola saying that the powers offered, and agreed on in November that are due before Parliament in the first session are not good enough. What do you think Parliament will do when there's already been cross party agreement? Tough! There's the democracy that you can't agree with from the referendum, nor the election.

But hey, keep beating the drum.