KenL
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When do you recon is a good time to tell tonight's Facebook zoomers that the words of Rule Britannia were written by a Scot.
That "Scot" was probably British like me.
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That "Scot" was probably British like me.
KenL
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Good to see that Nicola Sturgeon has been taking tips from Boris on how to deliver a clear message on lockdown. Families in parts of Glasgow can no longer meet with other families in their own homes. They can however get on a bus with them to go and have a pub crawl round a few bars and then go to a restaurant for a meal together.
I was planning on visiting by late 80s parents in the next week. Now I'll have to wait on my glorious leader telling me it is allowed. Pathetic.
ColchesterFC
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Assuming that they live in one of the areas of Glasgow affected by the new rules then you are still allowed to go and visit them. You'll just have to do it in a pub or restaurant potentially surrounded by loads of other people rather than just the three of you in their garden or house.
funkycoldmedina
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The Chief Medical Officer in Scotland was on Channel 4 news and was saying all the outbreaks can be linked back to large house gatherings hence the more nuanced lockdown whereas Aberdeen was linked to a couple of bars. Seems a much more sensible approach that good quality test and tracing is allowing us not to have blanket lockdown again.
KenL
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Me visiting Mum and Dad is not a large house gathering.
Ban large gatherings yes, but a total ban on visiting people is a step too far when they are still allowing people to gather in sizeable numbers in pubs.
funkycoldmedina
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It's only for a week to begin with. Banning them all stops the interpretation element. If infections start occurring from pubs then I'm sure they'll get included
SwingsitlikeHogan
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I thought Swinney was quite clear about the rationale when questioned on the why not 'homes' when 'pubs/restaurants' OK.
As mentioned - the contact tracing had taken things back to get-togethers in houses and not pubs, restaurants - or indeed any other non-domestic setting.
Why might that be the case? he was asked? Answer was rather obvious - people and groups 'gathering' in pubs and restaurants are generally pretty well 'managed' into adhering to the rules. That is not the case when groups meet up in someones house when (and I have seen it myself) many are more relaxed over their adherence to the rules - as if they don't really apply to quite the same extent in that setting.
It's as if some think that as you can 'get away with it' in a domestic setting then it doesn't matter if you don't adhere strictly to all the rules. Because you can't be seen by anyone outside of the house then we can't be pulled p by anyone.
If nobody sees us breaking the rules then we can't be pulled up for breaking the rules and the only thing that really matters is not being pulled up. Families and friends can still meet up outdoors or in a 'managed' setting.
As mentioned - the contact tracing had taken things back to get-togethers in houses and not pubs, restaurants - or indeed any other non-domestic setting.
Why might that be the case? he was asked? Answer was rather obvious - people and groups 'gathering' in pubs and restaurants are generally pretty well 'managed' into adhering to the rules. That is not the case when groups meet up in someones house when (and I have seen it myself) many are more relaxed over their adherence to the rules - as if they don't really apply to quite the same extent in that setting.
It's as if some think that as you can 'get away with it' in a domestic setting then it doesn't matter if you don't adhere strictly to all the rules. Because you can't be seen by anyone outside of the house then we can't be pulled p by anyone.
If nobody sees us breaking the rules then we can't be pulled up for breaking the rules and the only thing that really matters is not being pulled up. Families and friends can still meet up outdoors or in a 'managed' setting.
ColchesterFC
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Especially when, as funkycoldmedina has pointed out, the outbreaks in Aberdeen were linked to bars. My opinion is that with the occasional exception, such as the Nike conference and care homes, Nicola Sturgeon has handled the virus response pretty well, but I think that this is a poor decision. Why are pubs and restaurants in Glasgow any different to pubs and restaurants in Aberdeen?
ColchesterFC
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Which is fine, apart from the fact that the outbreaks in Aberdeen were linked to bars. If pubs are unsafe in Aberdeen during an outbreak then they are equally as unsafe in Glasgow.
funkycoldmedina
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Probably it's under constant review, if new clusters start popping up from pubs/restaurants then they'll go. This is how good localised test and trace should work. Nip in the bud what is causing the issue.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
The outbreaks in Aberdeen were traced back directly to some Aberdeen pubs and not homes. If these pubs were not managed very well back then then I suspect the owners and managers will be more stringent in applying and enforcing the rules when reopened (if theyt are not already reopened).
Other side of coin is that Glasgow pubs/restaurants may well have learned a lesson from what has happened in Aberdeen and so are being diligent to avoid being closed down. Fact seems to be that the case tracing in Glasgow went back to the domestic setting and not the leisure/hospitality one as it did in Aberdeen,
ColchesterFC
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KenL going to visit his parents isn't what is causing the issue but he's now prevented from legally doing that. "Large house gatherings" are apparently what are causing the outbreaks, so why not stop large house gatherings instead. Introduce a simple rule of no more than 4/6/8 people from two households to meet indoors in a private residence. That stops any "interpretation element" without penalising those that are following the rules.
funkycoldmedina
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Maybe that's an option but you can see why they've gone down the route they have.
ColchesterFC
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No, I can't, otherwise I wouldn't have said that I think that this is a poor decision. I think it's actually a very weak decision by a government that is afraid, in this instance, to take stronger action.
KenL
Tour Rookie
Perhaps it is because Glasgow has an SNP led council and was one of only two places that narrowly supported indy in 2014.
The leader of Aberdeen Council said something similar after they had everything stopped for 3 weeks.
Were there less cases in Aberdeen too, not sure?
The leader of Aberdeen Council said something similar after they had everything stopped for 3 weeks.
Were there less cases in Aberdeen too, not sure?
KenL
Tour Rookie
Did someone suggest Glasgow pubs are well controlled?
https://www.glasgowtimes.co.uk/news...off-glasgows-sanctuary-nightclub-beer-garden/
https://www.glasgowtimes.co.uk/news...off-glasgows-sanctuary-nightclub-beer-garden/
Doon frae Troon
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Last time I looked Glasgow's population was around x4 to Aberdeen, so I would expect more cases in Glasgow.
IMO this is more to do with schools returning, 3 weeks in Scotland now.
We all know that within the first two weeks of school return the common cold virus is much more active once pupils start mixing.
There is also the help grapevine when, before and after school, working parents collect children from friends and family groups in other households.
IMO this is more to do with schools returning, 3 weeks in Scotland now.
We all know that within the first two weeks of school return the common cold virus is much more active once pupils start mixing.
There is also the help grapevine when, before and after school, working parents collect children from friends and family groups in other households.
Doon frae Troon
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Of course he was, but I dare you to try telling that to some of the Faragetttes on facebook.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
Unfortunately as it appears that as gatherings in an indoors domestic setting are not visible to the general public or any authority/police - then the actual numbers of separate households meeting up indoors doesn't matter - it is the very fact of separate households meeting up in 'private' that seems to be the issue. Out of sight - we can pretty much act normal as if no constraints.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
Well...that's Glasgow for you...a bunch of neds is a bunch of neds forever...
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