The SNIP

[Old Skier]

We shall be welcomed with open arms, everyone in Europe loves the Scots.

Confused again between the EU and Europe. The EU has already told Scotland that they wouldn’t be welcome.

Europe definitely loves Scotland, which other country can provide football teams like lambs to the slaughter

 

[azazel]

Shouldn't the last word read "impossible" ??

Only if you believe there's something uniquely incapable about Scotland and Scottish people that would prevent us running our own country in the way that many similar-sized nations do. I choose to be a bit more positive and less insulting about our capabilities but each to their own.

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

So, surely an EU footy team beckons.... you might then get to a World Cup by proxy!

Even as a Scot that made me laugh ?

 

[drdel]

Meanwhile the Scottish deficit is £15.1bn (~9%) which is about 25% of the whole of the UK's at £60.bn (2.7%). (Figures: April so don't reflect full Covid impact.
Barnier can't wait to welcome Scotland's contribution to the EU budget !

and ...K Forbes (S Fin Sec) has scrapped plans to publish their economic case for Independence - wonder why?

Perhaps the next vote should be open to UK citizens.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Confused again between the EU and Europe. The EU has already told Scotland that they wouldn’t be welcome.

Europe definitely loves Scotland, which other country can provide football teams like lambs to the slaughter

Difficult choices to be made and problematic certainly - but not welcome? Not so sure that that's how all see it.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...be-enthusiastic-if-scotland-applied-to-rejoin

And a read with all the analysis anyone might wish for.

https://www.scer.scot/database/ident-12533

 

[chrisd]

Only if you believe there's something uniquely incapable about Scotland and Scottish people that would prevent us running our own country in the way that many similar-sized nations do. I choose to be a bit more positive and less insulting about our capabilities but each to their own.

It's not insulting to say that Scotland couldn't run it's own country. You are heavily in debt, almost certainly wouldn't be in invited into the EU etc etc . Presumably you couldn't do it without raising taxes to a level unacceptable to the Scottish taxpayers .

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Meanwhile the Scottish deficit is £15.1bn (~9%) which is about 25% of the whole of the UK's at £60.bn (2.7%). Figures April so don't reflect full Covid impact.
Barnier can't wait to welcome Scotland's contribution to the EU budget !

and ...K Forbes (S Fin Sec) has scrapped plans to publish their economic case for Independence - wonder why?

Perhaps the next vote should be open to UK citizens.

Which if course is the daftest of all notions in respect of an Indyref2 - and it doesn't take much thought to work out why.

 

[Deleted member 21258]

Which if course is the daftest of all notions in respect of an Indyref2 - and it doesn't take much thought to work out why.

Currently I am UK citizen, I can freely roam/trade across the whole country of the UK, so why should I not get a vote on the fact that part of the country may break up and restrict what I do in my 'own country'.

I do not wish to be restricted and have the country I 'currently own' and can freely trade/roam with, just because some people wish to break it up. It affects everyone in the whole country, not just people living in Scotland....

Its an interesting question and a point missed.

BTW this is nothing like the Brexit vote, as we were not one country with the EU. So comparing the Brexit voting system to a break the country up vote, is not valid at all.

 

[Deleted member 21258]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politic...dividend-rises-almost-2000-per-person-hammer/

What kind of advert for the union is that? Scotland's so badly off under the present set up that the opportunity to do so much better on our own is enormous

That's a bit of around the wrong way answer, the article actually shows that currently you are feeling better off than you should be, due to the massive deficit you are running.

You are not paying enough tax in Scotland and/or giving out to many 'freebies' etc.

Better get ready to pay a lot more tax or government spending cuts, as taxing the rich more will not raise enough to cover the deficit(as they aren't that rich each year!).

Maybe in years afterwards, Scotland could improve matters by extra trading etc, but short term there will be a hit to finances, deficit and benefits. Uncertainly is a killer for investment and business. Same could be said for the Brexit effect for the UK.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politic...dividend-rises-almost-2000-per-person-hammer/

Bingo ....well done.
Anyone know what the GERE figures are, I have tried Googling it and nothing comes up.

GERS figures have been roundly rubbished over the last few years and have no relevance at all to an Independent Scotland's finance.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Meanwhile the Scottish deficit is £15.1bn (~9%) which is about 25% of the whole of the UK's at £60.bn (2.7%). (Figures: April so don't reflect full Covid impact.
Barnier can't wait to welcome Scotland's contribution to the EU budget !

and ...K Forbes (S Fin Sec) has scrapped plans to publish their economic case for Independence - wonder why?

Perhaps the next vote should be open to UK citizens.

Covid, Brexit, UK Treasurer's massive borrowing spree, perhaps may be indicators

 

[Old Skier]

Difficult choices to be made and problematic certainly - but not welcome? Not so sure that that's how all see it.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...be-enthusiastic-if-scotland-applied-to-rejoin

And a read with all the analysis anyone might wish for.

https://www.scer.scot/database/ident-12533

Scotland would need every country to vote in favour. The 2 main protagonists would never folk out the bribe money required to get the vote, Spain alone would demand a huge payout.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

That's a bit of around the wrong way answer, the article actually shows that currently you are feeling better off than you should be, due to the massive deficit you are running.

You are not paying enough tax in Scotland and/or giving out to many 'freebies' etc.

Better get ready to pay a lot more tax or government spending cuts, as taxing the rich more will not raise enough to cover the deficit(as they aren't that rich each year!).

Maybe in years afterwards, Scotland could improve matters by extra trading etc, but short term there will be a hit to finances, deficit and benefits. Uncertainly is a killer for investment and business. Same could be said for the Brexit effect for the UK.

Ok - though I thought it obvious.

Scotland's ~3.6m electorate could vote 100% to remain in the UK, and rUK could vote for Scotland to leave the UK by a majority of >3.6m (not inconceivable). So in effect Scotland would be getting thrown out of the UK against 100% of it's electorate's expressed wishes. Indeed it may be the case that under the Act of Union (1707) Scotland cannot be thrown out of the Union against it's wishes. As a nation in a union of nations it may choose to leave, but I doubt very much that it can be thrown out against it's wishes.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Scotland would need every country to vote in favour. The 2 main protagonists would never folk out the bribe money required to get the vote, Spain alone would demand a huge payout.

Maybe so - nobody said it would be without issues. That wouldn't make Scotland 'not welcome'.

 

[Old Skier]

As a great many Scots come south to earn a living as has been openly stated by Doom and others, (most don’t return) under the new rules if Scotland went independent they would be unable to have the same benefits that Scots had before.

 

[KenL]

Bingo ....well done.
Anyone know what the GERE figures are, I have tried Googling it and nothing comes up.

GERS figures have been roundly rubbished over the last few years and have no relevance at all to an Independent Scotland's finance.

GERS figures are real and published by Scotgov.

 

[Old Skier]

Maybe so - nobody said it would be without issues. That wouldn't make Scotland 'not welcome'.

Not welcome is perhaps the wrong word, no available room in the inn may be better.

 

[Fade and Die]

Currently I am UK citizen, I can freely roam/trade across the whole country of the UK, so why should I not get a vote on the fact that part of the country may break up and restrict what I do in my 'own country'.

I do not wish to be restricted and have the country I 'currently own' and can freely trade/roam with, just because some people wish to break it up. It affects everyone in the whole country, not just people living in Scotland....

Its an interesting question and a point missed.

BTW this is nothing like the Brexit vote, as we were not one country with the EU. So comparing the Brexit voting system to a break the country up vote, is not valid at all.

This is an excellent point, suddenly some of my family will be living in a foreign country!!... We are all “stakeholders” in this country and there is an argument that we should all be consulted.

(Tbh if I was a Scot gnat I would want this too as I think sadly it would give them an overwhelming victory.)

 

[Deleted member 1418]

Did you see the response to MEP Alyn Smiths 'leave a light on for Scotland' final speech.

Yes I did actually - and a very good one it was too. Shame that the EP believes it had more influence than it actually does!

The PMs and Presidents of EU Member States will not take any views of MEPs into consideration. At the end of the day they will weigh what an independent Scotland will actually cost them (or most likely, what an independent Scotland will take away from them in terms of money to their respective nations).

Keep on dreaming though ?

 

[PNWokingham]

What kind of advert for the union is that? Scotland's so badly off under the present set up that the opportunity to do so much better on our own is enormous

a near 9% budget defecit with a 2k per person bonus from being in the UK - and you think that is a good excuse for getting better terms on your own. . Funny how nobody who wants independenance likes to answer any of the fundamental questions. But hey hey, the easy option for the rest of the UK when faced with this attitide is to say hey ho off you go and spend the extra money that Scotland gets on the rest of the Union.