The SNIP

[chrisd]

Is "don't know what they are voting for" utter drivel?

Do they know what share of the national debt will be owed, what trading terms they will have with the rest of the UK, what currency they'll use, whether they will be allowed back into the EU, the value of their savings if the currency changes, will the UK Government keep the nuclear base in Scotland and, if not, what the resultant job losses will be ............ etc etc ?

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

Reply to post 1351.
It is not just the SNP that want Independence, confirms you are out of touch with the Scots political scene
42% of Scottish Labour members support independence.......[mind you that is probably only about 57 folk.]
The labour downfall started here https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/20...-Xzsu2khZhTuv9JnLdPdYZ8jr6Bfj5ISpAfnBiisyDELq

'Don't know what they are voting for' is utter drivel.

Brexiteers on the other hand really did not have a clue of what they voted for, fed the biggest load of lies and guff and fell for it hook line and sinker.

Thanks for being the first on here to at least attempt to answer the question that many Scots are asking

Unfortunately it is people like you who are the issue. You pick and choose your sources of information to suit your viewpoint rather than looking at the bigger picture. If you believe that Scotland would be better off as an independent country (and you are perfectly entitled to hold that view) then go ahead and vote that way if there is an indyref2. However if you do you may end up regretting it.

 

[IanM]

The SNP don't want Independence. They want to be within a Federal EU.

The reasons and benefits/pitfalls of that are what is up for debate....

 

[Doon frae Troon]

The SNP don't want Independence. They want to be within a Federal EU.

The reasons and benefits/pitfalls of that are what is up for debate....

CORRECT we want Independence to join our many friends and colleagues in the EU.
Don't forget that the signatures of the VOW promised as near Federalism as possible...that went two days after the 2014 vote.

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

CORRECT we want Independence to join our many friends and colleagues in the EU.
Don't forget that the signatures of the VOW promised as near Federalism as possible...that went two days after the 2014 vote.

You wanted independence long before Brexit, that is just a distraction to suit your argument.

 

[Deleted member 1418]

CORRECT we want Independence to join our many friends and colleagues in the EU.
Don't forget that the signatures of the VOW promised as near Federalism as possible...that went two days after the 2014 vote.

You may want to join........whether a number want you though is the question! Spain - probably not given the Catalonia situation. And can't imagine the 'Frugal Four' being too pleased about another net recipient adding even more pressure to the EU budget, especially given the countries already in the accession process will also be net recipients.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

You may want to join........whether a number want you though is the question! Spain - probably not given the Catalonia situation. And can't imagine the 'Frugal Four' being too pleased about another net recipient adding even more pressure to the EU budget, especially given the countries already in the accession process will also be net recipients.

We shall be welcomed with open arms, everyone in Europe loves the Scots.

 

[Grant85]

The SNP don't want Independence. They want to be within a Federal EU.

The reasons and benefits/pitfalls of that are what is up for debate....

1st point, the EU is not a Federal state. No doubt there are those in the EU that want to move towards that but I think there will be sufficient voices within member states that will halt progress in that direction. And with Brexit they have a fairly big sign to point to and say, 'my country could do this as well, you have to stop'

2nd point, what is up for debate is for Scotland to have their own choice. On EU, international relations, military actions as well as a huge number of internal matters currently made entirely at Westminster.

If the status quo continues we have almost no say on EU membership. In short there is no point having the EU membership debate until you have the independence debate, without independence the EU debate is pointless and effectively Scotland goes along with whatever England and the government of English MPs decides.

 

[IanM]

Fair points all Grant, but I'd add the word "yet" to your first point, but Brexit has given them food for thought on the direction of travel. That said, I don't think the EU Commissioners give a stuff about dissent, but they will have a hole in their (un-audited ) budget to worry about.

I think the debates on autonomy on the other points are all valid, but I think I'd give the SNP would have more credibility (with me) if they were less Federalist. The intention of the EU is clear, the Common Market is long gone.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

You wanted independence long before Brexit, that is just a distraction to suit your argument.

The world moves on.
Only six years ago the Unionistas strongly claimed the only way Scotland could stay in the EU was by voting NO.

 

[spongebob59]

Fair points all Grant, but I'd add the word "yet" to your first point, but Brexit has given them food for thought on the direction of travel. That said, I don't think the EU Commissioners give a stuff about dissent, but they will have a hole in their (un-audited ) budget to worry about.

I think the debates on autonomy on the other points are all valid, but I think I'd give the SNP would have more credibility (with me) if they were less Federalist. The intention of the EU is clear, the Common Market is long gone.

Figures from.AN

https://twitter.com/x/status/1298594375979720704

 

[Fade and Die]

We shall be welcomed with open arms, everyone in Europe loves the Scots.

Apart from spite against the U.K. I cannot see any incentive for the EU admitting an independent Scotland...Anyway you should be wary, Everyone knows Scotland were always getting stitched up by France in the “Auld alliance” expect more of the same.?

 

[IanM]

I think budget deficit figures are now going to look a bit bonkers for many years to come!

Maybe the reason for the SNP loving the EU is it's demand for increase centralisation and alignment? Currency, tax, laws etc. So, surely an EU footy team beckons.... you might then get to a World Cup by proxy!

 

[chrisd]

We shall be welcomed with open arms, everyone in Europe loves the Scots.

Mmmmmmmm everyone ????

 

[Deleted member 1418]

We shall be welcomed with open arms, everyone in Europe loves the Scots.

? ?

Not necessarily at the ruling level! I've spoken to a few representatives of EU Member States who do not want an independent Scotland adding more pressure to EU budgets.

 

[spongebob59]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politic...dividend-rises-almost-2000-per-person-hammer/

 

[Doon frae Troon]

? ?

Not necessarily at the ruling level! I've spoken to a few representatives of EU Member States who do not want an independent Scotland adding more pressure to EU budgets.

Did you see the response to MEP Alyn Smiths 'leave a light on for Scotland' final speech.

 

[spongebob59]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politic...dividend-rises-almost-2000-per-person-hammer/

 

[azazel]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politic...dividend-rises-almost-2000-per-person-hammer/

What kind of advert for the union is that? Scotland's so badly off under the present set up that the opportunity to do so much better on our own is enormous

 

[chrisd]

What kind of advert for the union is that? Scotland's so badly off under the present set up that the opportunity to do so much better on our own is enormous

Shouldn't the last word read "impossible" ??