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The relief of finding a lost ball.

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bobmac said:
I'm surprised none of the pedants have pointed out that if you found the ball, then it wasn't lost ;)
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From R&A/USGA Rules...Definitions
[Start Definition]
Lost Ball

A ball is deemed "lost" if:

a.
It is not found or identified as his by the player within five minutes after the player's side or his or their caddies have begun to search for it; or

b.
The player has made a stroke at a provisional ball from the place where the original ball is likely to be or from a point nearer the hole than that place (see Rule 27-2b); or

c.
The player has put another ball into play under penalty of stroke and distance under Rule 26-1a, 27-1 or 28a; or

d.
The player has put another ball into play because it is known or virtually certain that the ball, which has not been found, has been moved by an outside agency (see Rule 18-1), is in an obstruction (see Rule 24-3), is in an abnormal ground condition (see Rule 25-1c) or is in a water hazard (see Rule 26-1b or c); or

e.
The player has made a stroke at a substituted ball.

Time spent in playing a wrong ball is not counted in the five-minute period allowed for search.
[End Definition]

So it's quite possible to find the ball, but it still to be a 'Lost Ball'!

In fact, if 2 FCs are playing the same brand/number, then the fact that they can't be distinguished means that they are both 'Lost Balls'!
 
Foxholer said:
I'm with this - and I have actually been in both sides of this situation (once having to rule and once when I returned to tee under S&D but ball found by FCs - who thought it had been 'declared lost!! - within 5 mins and before I'd put another ball into play!)!

And let's get the concept of 'cheat' clearly defined/eliminated!

1. If a player breaches a rule and follows the penalty clause (s)he's not a cheat!

2. If a player doesn't realise/believe (s)he's broken a rule, so doesn't follow the penalty clause, they are not a cheat! However the consequence can often be severe - aka possibly a DQ!

3. It's only if the player knows they have breached a rule and fails to follow the penalty clause that the could (and should) be considered to be cheating!

I believe it's likely that it would take several such events for someone to be labelled 'a cheat'!

In Tashy's case, #2 might be relevant, but almost certainly not #3
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How long has player been playing golf? 😗

Sadly I think this option below may have been the case.

#4 Its only a a minute over searching and I do have a good score going so I can't believe anyone would want to pick me up on this. After all it's not real cheating is it?
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Again before any decision is made - the full facts would be requested from the whole group

What's sort on a forum wouldn't count

I have had to deal with situations where people have broke the rules and they have failed to apply the punishment and they have been DQ for it - once the full facts have been found out
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I kinda think that if someone wins a comp (Div) or the full competition then posts a statement like he did on a public forum then he clearly knew what he had done was in breach of the rules and is making a mockery of his club and fellow golfers who played in the competition.
 
Foxholer said:
From R&A/USGA Rules...Definitions
[Start Definition]
Lost Ball

A ball is deemed "lost" if:

a.
It is not found or identified as his by the player within five minutes after the player's side or his or their caddies have begun to search for it; or

b.
The player has made a stroke at a provisional ball from the place where the original ball is likely to be or from a point nearer the hole than that place (see Rule 27-2b); or

c.
The player has put another ball into play under penalty of stroke and distance under Rule 26-1a, 27-1 or 28a; or

d.
The player has put another ball into play because it is known or virtually certain that the ball, which has not been found, has been moved by an outside agency (see Rule 18-1), is in an obstruction (see Rule 24-3), is in an abnormal ground condition (see Rule 25-1c) or is in a water hazard (see Rule 26-1b or c); or

e.
The player has made a stroke at a substituted ball.

Time spent in playing a wrong ball is not counted in the five-minute period allowed for search.
[End Definition]

So it's quite possible to find the ball, but it still to be a 'Lost Ball'!

In fact, if 2 FCs are playing the same brand/number, then the fact that they can't be distinguished means that they are both 'Lost Balls'!
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I agree with the facts you have posted but have to disagree about you thinking he would be classes as number 2. the 5 minute rule must be one of the best known rules out there and for that reason I disagree with you.
 
Orikoru said:
If nobody in his group actually timed him then nobody can be sure he took longer than 5 minutes. People use '5 minutes' as a colloquialism. I could tell someone it's a '5 minute walk' to the shops when it's actually 4 minutes, or 6 minutes. It's an approximation.

He could have said 'nearly 5 minutes' and saved all this fuss. :D
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cheers Orikoru, spot on for the above, and I wish had wrote nearly five mins.

One things for sure, I have spent longer than five minutes reading this.
Disclaimer, please read what Orikoru has written above re colloquialism.

PS Hobbit. my shirts are not loud, my trousers and voice are. 😁
 
HankMarvin said:
I agree with the facts you have posted but have to disagree about you thinking he would be classes as number 2. the 5 minute rule must be one of the best known rules out there and for that reason I disagree with you.
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Your prerogative!

In the situation I had to rule on, I simply asked whether any of the players could say for sure whether the time searching was over or under 5 minutes! When none could, it was a simple matter of accepting the integrity of the player who thought it was less!

In Tashy's case, I believe (cerytainly hope) that the 'for 5 mins' was simply a post mistake that was lept upon!
 
Orikoru said:
I did (obviously). For you to take his '5 minutes' as literal and exact is just mindless pedantry.

This has certainly been one of the most ridiculous topics on here, and it had a lot to beat as well.
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it's not pedantic. the rules say max 5 mins.
..if he's sure and can honestly say he found the ball within 5 mins then that's fine with me. nothing suggests that so far. just stuff being made up.
 
I know that most players rarely search for a full 5 minutes, I often have a cursory glance at my watch at the start of a search just to err on the side of the rule. What I can't understand is that anyone posting would immediately know that they were telling the world that they were breaking probably the best known rule in the book

Why Tashy?
 
guest100718 said:
it's not pedantic. the rules say max 5 mins.
..if he's sure and can honestly say he found the ball within 5 mins then that's fine with me. nothing suggests that so far. just stuff being made up.
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I'm not saying it's pedantry to apply the correct ruling, I'm saying it's pedantry on your part to assume he meant EXACTLY 5 minutes when he quite obviously didn't. I suspect he actually has no idea whether it was 5 minutes, 3 minutes, or what.
 
moogie said:
He ( I presume ) refers to the fact you frown about the use of the word "cheat" on this thread
Yet you're more than happy to use that word and make implications on the trilby tour thread on here


But I presume that's ok
Your rules eh......
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Or the fact that some people in the trilby tour have been banned from that competition and others due to Cheating - proven to be cheating the HC system to win his stake prize comps.

Reckon people that have been banned can be called cheats - what do you reckon ( who scores that point )
 
Orikoru said:
I did (obviously). For you to take his '5 minutes' as literal and exact is just mindless pedantry.

This has certainly been one of the most ridiculous topics on here, and it had a lot to beat as well.
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You do realise this is a "Golf Forum" were we go on about standards and self policing etc, there is no "5 minute guess" or "depends were you're from and how you speak" in the rules, it's 5 minutes, end off.

Tashy has played enough golf to know that and as soon as he saw a couple of replies to his post he could of come straight on and explained he didn't actually time it or meant nearly 5 minutes, he didn't.

His op caused all the ridiculous replies, in your opinion is a ridiculous thread

For you to then accuse someone of mindless pendantry is a joke.

Like I put before, one man and one man alone caused the reaction and it was my mate Tashy.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Or the fact that some people in the trilby tour have been banned from that competition and others due to Cheating - proven to be cheating the HC system.
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Yet the op clearly states he looked for 5 mins then walks 50yds and finds ball

But others that weren't there ( hundreds of miles away ) are making out they know that didn't happen and they know better

We can only believe what he's said in opening text
Not make up a story to suit our own opinions and view or argument
( as it's turned into )
 
Tashyboy said:
cheers Orikoru, spot on for the above, and I wish had wrote nearly five mins.

One things for sure, I have spent longer than five minutes reading this.
Disclaimer, please read what Orikoru has written above re colloquialism.

PS Hobbit. my shirts are not loud, my trousers and voice are. 😁
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Tashy

Simple question where the answer will make everything clear which way to go

Do you believe you found your ball within 5 mins - it's a yes or no

All judgments are being made on what you have written so you need to stop be cryptic and just be clear about things
 
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