Out of Bounds and ball lost Rule Query

[Viewer]

At the risk of going off on a tangent and thread creep, what about MLR E-4, relief from aeration holes?

Where are the aeration holes?

 

[woofers]

Where are the aeration holes?

On the putting green, sorry I should have been more specific, MLR E-4(b).

 

[NearHull]

AERATION/VERTI DRAIN HOLES
If a player's ball lies in or touches an aeration hole:
• Ball in General Area. The player may take relief under Rule 16.1b. If the ball comes to rest in another
aeration hole the player may take relief again under this Local Rule.
• Ball on Putting Green. The player may take relief under Rule 16.1d.
But interference does not exist if the aeration hole only interferes with the player's stance or area of intended
swing or, on the putting green, on the player's line of play.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Don't like MLR E-5. We don't implement it. I can think of a number of places on my place where a two shot penalty to edge of fairway not nearer the hole could be a distinct advantage over the player who's ball nearly went OoB in the vicinity of that which did - but didn't.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

AERATION/VERTI DRAIN HOLES
If a player's ball lies in or touches an aeration hole:
• Ball in General Area. The player may take relief under Rule 16.1b. If the ball comes to rest in another
aeration hole the player may take relief again under this Local Rule.
• Ball on Putting Green. The player may take relief under Rule 16.1d.
But interference does not exist if the aeration hole only interferes with the player's stance or area of intended
swing or, on the putting green, on the player's line of play.

Couple of us were discussing this yesterday. We've tined our greens and the holes haven't quite recovered. We were thinking that, on the green, where a ball sits in/on or close to a tining hole the player could 'repair' the hole(s) in the same way as they could repair pitch marks. But the question in my mind is whether repairing a tining hole that my ball is sitting in/on is improving my lie - and so prohibited?

 

[salfordlad]

Couple of us were discussing this yesterday. We've tined our greens and the holes haven't quite recovered. We were thinking that, on the green, where a ball sits in/on or close to a tining hole the player could 'repair' the hole(s) in the same way as they could repair pitch marks. But the question in my mind is whether repairing a tining hole that my ball is sitting in/on is improving my lie - and so prohibited?

Correct, you cannot repair a tining hole. This is exactly the same treatment as aeration holes (tining's big brother).

 

[NearHull]

Repairing damage on the green

Damage on the putting green” means any damage caused by any person (including the player) or outside influence, such as:

• Ball marks, shoe damage (such as spike marks) and scrapes or indentations caused by equipment or a flagstick,
• Old hole plugs, turf plugs, seams of cut turf and scrapes or indentations from maintenance tools or vehicles,
• Animal tracks or hoof indentations, and
• Embedded objects (such as a stone, acorn, hail or tee) and indentations caused by them.

But “damage on the putting green” does not include any damage or conditions that result from:

• Normal practices for maintaining the overall condition of the putting green (such as aeration holes and grooves from vertical mowing),
• Irrigation or rain or other natural forces,
• Natural surface imperfections (such as weeds or areas of bare, diseased or uneven growth), or
• Natural wear of the hole.