The relief of finding a lost ball.

[bobmac]

I'm surprised none of the pedants have pointed out that if you found the ball, then it wasn't lost

 

[HankMarvin]

if there are any rules officials read the OP or indeed handicap sec's what would you're take be on this ?

forget it's Tash from GM and give your honest opinion on how it would be dealt with at your club. from where I see it a DQ would be the only option.

 

[Smiffy]

I'm surprised none of the pedants have pointed out that if you found the ball, then it wasn't lost

I seem to remember you being rather pedantic on timing during a match one day Bob.
Where was it????........... Oh yeah! Forest Pines.
I still reckon I'd only had 4 minutes.
Still a win's a win.

 

[Orikoru]

Because, according to the post I quoted, anyone who breaks a rule is a cheat.
Virtually everyone who plays golf will have broken a rule at some stage
Therefore every golfer is a cheat......

No... we makes errors and mistakes like play a wrong ball or take a double tap on a little chip.

we then follow the rules and apply them accordingly.

Playing the wrong ball is an innocent error but finding your correct ball after 5 minutes and 10 seconds and playing it is blatant cheating - I've heard it all now! :rofl:

 

[guest100718]

Playing the wrong ball is an innocent error but finding your correct ball after 5 minutes and 10 seconds and playing it is blatant cheating - I've heard it all now! :rofl:

No...... not rectifying the error is the cheating part...

 

[bobmac]

I seem to remember you being rather pedantic on timing during a match one day Bob.
Where was it????........... Oh yeah! Forest Pines.
I still reckon I'd only had 4 minutes.
Still a win's a win.

I thought it was you who said ''thats my 5 minutes up, move on'' before you found your ball

 

[Yant]

I think we should just lock Tashy up for around 5 years. Seems only a fair and just punishment.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

if there are any rules officials read the OP or indeed handicap sec's what would you're take be on this ?

forget it's Tash from GM and give your honest opinion on how it would be dealt with at your club. from where I see it a DQ would be the only option.

You would need to get the full facts from the player and his player partners on the timings

If they all agree that they believe it was under 5 mins then no issue - need to trust the players

If they say yeah it prob was over 5 mins then it would be a DQ for the player.

I expect a lot of what Tashy has said is a bit lost in translation etc , I don't like the throwing of the cheat word around.

 

[Smiffy]

I thought it was you who said ''thats my 5 minutes up, move on'' before you found your ball

I was joking to get a reaction.

 

[bobmac]

I was joking to get a reaction.

I know you spent longer looking for your 9 iron

 

[HankMarvin]

You would need to get the full facts from the player and his player partners on the timings

If they all agree that they believe it was under 5 mins then no issue - need to trust the players

If they say yeah it prob was over 5 mins then it would be a DQ for the player. good


I expect a lot of what Tashy has said is a bit lost in translation etc , I don't like the throwing of the cheat word around.

it takes a bit more time to think about writing things down than just have the words come out your mouth and as he clearly states it was over 5 minutes, that we can be sure off.

now say Tash had played at your club and another member brought this post to your attention how would it be dealt with especially that it's there in black and white where he clearly states he went over the 5 minutes and bearing in mind the descission will have an impact on others players and that of your club.

 

[Orikoru]

If nobody in his group actually timed him then nobody can be sure he took longer than 5 minutes. People use '5 minutes' as a colloquialism. I could tell someone it's a '5 minute walk' to the shops when it's actually 4 minutes, or 6 minutes. It's an approximation.

He could have said 'nearly 5 minutes' and saved all this fuss.

 

[Hobbit]

***** News Alert ******

A spokesman for Scotland Yard has advised the Cobra Emergency Planning Team that Tashyboy is now on a watch list.... alleged crimes include, "enjoying himself in a loud and aggressive shirt," and "fist pumping."

An armed response team has been dispatched, and secreted, alongside the 18th fairway at Tashy's home course. Fast Response helicopter teams are on standby should the lost ball thread (argument) extend beyond the 5 mins allotted time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNkjDuSVXiE

 

[guest100718]

If nobody in his group actually timed him then nobody can be sure he took longer than 5 minutes. People use '5 minutes' as a colloquialism. I could tell someone it's a '5 minute walk' to the shops when it's actually 4 minutes, or 6 minutes. It's an approximation.

He could have said 'nearly 5 minutes' and saved all this fuss.

this effort to make what Tashboy has done be acceptable is ridiculous.

 

[Foxholer]

You would need to get the full facts from the player and his player partners on the timings

If they all agree that they believe it was under 5 mins then no issue - need to trust the players

If they say yeah it prob was over 5 mins then it would be a DQ for the player.

I expect a lot of what Tashy has said is a bit lost in translation etc , I don't like the throwing of the cheat word around.

I'm with this - and I have actually been in both sides of this situation (once having to rule and once when I returned to tee under S&D but ball found by FCs - who thought it had been 'declared lost!! - within 5 mins and before I'd put another ball into play!)!

And let's get the concept of 'cheat' clearly defined/eliminated!

1. If a player breaches a rule and follows the penalty clause (s)he's not a cheat!

2. If a player doesn't realise/believe (s)he's broken a rule, so doesn't follow the penalty clause, they are not a cheat! However the consequence can often be severe - aka possibly a DQ!

3. It's only if the player knows they have breached a rule and fails to follow the penalty clause that the could (and should) be considered to be cheating!

I believe it's likely that it would take several such events for someone to be labelled 'a cheat'!

In Tashy's case, #2 might be relevant, but almost certainly not #3

 

[Deleted member 15344]

it takes a bit more time to think about writing things down than just have the words come out your mouth and as he clearly states it was over 5 minutes, that we can be sure off.

now say Tash had played at your club and another member brought this post to your attention how would it be dealt with especially that it's there in black and white where he clearly states he went over the 5 minutes and bearing in mind the descission will have an impact on others players and that of your club.

Again before any decision is made - the full facts would be requested from the whole group

What's sort on a forum wouldn't count

I have had to deal with situations where people have broke the rules and they have failed to apply the punishment and they have been DQ for it - once the full facts have been found out

 

[richy]

You would need to get the full facts from the player and his player partners on the timings

If they all agree that they believe it was under 5 mins then no issue - need to trust the players

If they say yeah it prob was over 5 mins then it would be a DQ for the player.

I expect a lot of what Tashy has said is a bit lost in translation etc , I don't like the throwing of the cheat word around.

You quite easily did it on the Trilby Tour thread.

 

[sawtooth]

I'm surprised none of the pedants have pointed out that if you found the ball, then it wasn't lost

Ironically the truth is there in the title for everyone to read.

The ball was lost because the 5 minutes was up.

The only thing you should do with your ball that you found that was deemed lost is to put it in your bag , not carry on and make a par with it. 😮

 

[Kaizer_Soze]

FFS, some folk need to get a life !!!

 

[Orikoru]

this effort to make what Tashboy has done be acceptable is ridiculous.

But we don't know what he's done because nobody timed him.