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I know people who get loads more than me, and based on work effort they don't deserve it. I probably do significantly better than many people who work far harderthan me. I'd like to think they don't frown upon me on that, and I don't look down on people who are doing better than me.

Again, nobody is talking about how much you earn or whether you work as hard or not as hard as anyone else. I've made a point which you've failed to address several times through strawman arguments.

She was Queen, of course she is going to have an absolute fortune. Of course she is going to live in several massive castles. Of course she'll never go hungry or have to start shopping in LIDL.

Again, dancing round the point, this time by stating the obvious, albeit without an ounce of critical thought.

We all know this, so I'm unsure what your point is?

Is that the Royal 'we'? The point was pretty self explanatory.

I'm assuming you are trying to make a more general argument against the monarchy. And I am sure there is a thread in here somewhere for that.
OK, well we're passed first base....

But, when her family make a shed load of money for the country through tourism or whatever else, then they are absolutely welcome to that fortune as far as I'm concerned.

France is the most visited country in the world and they don't have a monarchy and haven't for a long time.

If they all moved out into two up tei down terraced house, they are not going to be in a great position to continue attracting tourism on the same scale.

Again, just incorrect.

Anyway, this thread is specifically about Elizabeth II. Unless you are saying she should gave broken up the monarchy, I think she has done a pretty fantastic duty for the nation. I doubt there are too many annoyed that she could pay her electric bill? Tho maybe I'm wrong, and hang about the wrong people.

Nobody is 'annoyed she can pay her bill'. I'm thinking of those who can't pay theirs. Usually 10k dead each winter. Will be many more this year.
 

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Strawman argument comparing France to the UK for tourists. France has Paris, wine regions, skiing and the Riveria. Without looking at the figures I'm certain a lot of France's numbers are racked up in the winter through skiing, mostly from nearby European countries.

I'm in favour of the monarchy paying inheritance tax, cutting back the Sovereign Grant and more Royal duties but the bottom line is they bring in far more than they cost. Not just in tourism but via the Monarchy PLC which creates a lot of exposure and investment in the UK.
 

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£28bn. No inheretance tax as she's exempt.

*stares as energy bill*

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Ok, I am replying to your original.post.

What point were you making? I assume you know that 100% of people in here are aware she isn't worried about her energy bill. We all know she is wealthy.

I'm waiting for some profound point you are making that I have missed?
 
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Strawman argument comparing France to the UK for tourists. France has Paris, wine regions, skiing and the Riveria. Without looking at the figures I'm certain a lot of France's numbers are racked up in the winter through skiing, mostly from nearby European countries.

I'm in favour of the monarchy paying inheritance tax, cutting back the Sovereign Grant and more Royal duties but the bottom line is they bring in far more than they cost. Not just in tourism but via the Monarchy PLC which creates a lot of exposure and investment in the UK.
Nonsense, not one person or body has ever backed this up with figures.

The Palace of Versailles, and the Colliseum, to name just 2, are far more popular with tourists than any English royal place. You know what *might* boost footfall? Actaully being able to visit these dens of vast unearned wealth.
 

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Can we return to unashamed, unabashed and heartfelt affection for the Queen on here and leave the petty arguments and naysayers for some other time and place...

Ta muchly.

It remains that if you think it's "too much" - move right on and don't read it.

Absolutely, let’s mourn the end of the second Elizabethan era. RIP Queen Elizabeth II.
Yes born into privilege, but the duty expected of the monarch is not an easy life. 70 years of hard work for the country, still working in her mid-90s. An outstanding woman. Thank you, ma’am, may you rest in peace. ❤️
 

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Nonsense, not one person or body has ever backed this up with figures.

The Palace of Versailles, and the Colliseum, to name just 2, are far more popular with tourists than any English royal place. You know what *might* boost footfall? Actaully being able to visit these dens of vast unearned wealth.
https://brandfinance.com/wp-content/uploads/1/brand_finance_monarchy_press_release.pdf
From 5 years ago, so probably add about 15% even with the effects of Covid.
And many parts of the Royal Estate - certainly of Buckingham Palace and Windsor Castle are open to the public! Much of Windsor Great Park is also open to the public. I've even played both cricket and golf in it, along with riding horses in it, with occasional sights of Her Majesty doing the same.
 
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Nonsense, not one person or body has ever backed this up with figures.

The Palace of Versailles, and the Colliseum, to name just 2, are far more popular with tourists than any English royal place. You know what *might* boost footfall? Actaully being able to visit these dens of vast unearned wealth.

Because most people with an IQ above a cabbage realise the monarchy brings in tourists in serious numbers. Go to Windsor on any day in peak tourist season and it's jam packed, ditto Edinburgh, ditto the Tower of London, ditto Buckingham Palace. The numbers of Rome or Paris are irrelevent. Of course they get huge numbers but the arguement is do the Royal family bring in more than the £80m odd they get given and the answer is a resounding yes.
 

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Because most people with an IQ above a cabbage realise the monarchy brings in tourists in serious numbers. Go to Windsor on any day in peak tourist season and it's jam packed, ditto Edinburgh, ditto the Tower of London, ditto Buckingham Palace. The numbers of Rome or Paris are irrelevent. Of course they get huge numbers but the arguement is do the Royal family bring in more than the £80m odd they get given and the answer is a resounding yes.
They get given 80mil but the true cost to the tax payer is far higher.
 

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Can we return to unashamed, unabashed and heartfelt affection for the Queen on here and leave the petty arguments and naysayers for some other time and place...

Ta muchly.

It remains that if you think it's "too much" - move right on and don't read it.

This…..

This is not the thread to denigrate the Queen or argue her worth. If you have nowt good to say in here, don’t say it.

Of course you’re welcome to your own opinions and you can argue til the cows come home, but do it in a different thread.
 

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