The Next Labour leader

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IanM said:
Was he? Don't think so. There was plenty of stuff flying around in between the Brexit Stuff.



Not if you ignore the evidence and cases I suppose,
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Please show the evidence that proved Corbyn is a racist?

Weak leader, easily led by momentum, beliefs too far left for my liking, don’t like his stance on dealing with terrorists, but racist, never seen it.
 
pauldj42 said:
Maybe the tories could get their act together and be honest about their support for the biggest anti-semite in Europe or actually read what Corbyn said about terrorist groups.

tories sold arms to Saudi that has killed thousands in Yemen, - johnson found liable for his part in it.
Former IRA member elected as a tory councillor.
johnson racist comments.

Ministers sacked by TM for leaking secret information or meeting foreign governments, both brought back by boris!

Maybe people in glasshouses shouldn’t throw stones or not believe everything you read in the bias media.
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Re your point about Tories selling arms to Saudi, We have been selling them arms since the year dot thru governments of all parties, funny you only decry the conservatives..
 
IanM said:
What did the EHRC say then?

Clue 2: Preface in which book?

...I am not doing all your homework for you..


Ah I know.... Jews are all white and wealthy so you can't be racist against them.... you one of those eh?
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Wow, ask a question and you get personal, this forum is getting sadder by the day, people unable to debate without getting nasty! Pathetic.
 
IanM said:
What did the EHRC say then?

Clue 2: Preface in which book?

...I am not doing all your homework for you..


Ah I know.... Jews are all white and wealthy so you can't be racist against them.... you one of those eh?
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Just get the evidence before the accusations.. or drop it as it’s just turning silly
 
IanM said:
Apologies if too personal...just asking the question.

Gave 2 examples, apparently neither acceptable, so I won't bother with any others.

Don't take my word for Corbyn's misdemeanours.... I guess the Jewish Labour members leaving in droves is just a coincidence.
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The 2 examples you gave I didn’t answer as your reply was pathetic.

Point 1 - The accusations given by the JLM to the EHRC are at the moment, just that, accusations, the EHRC haven’t yet published their findings and the complaints are against The Labour Party and not Corbyn.

Point 2 - If you are talking about the book first published in 1902 and rereleased in 2011 with Corbyn writing the foreword, he condemned the language in the book towards minorities as absolutely deplorable and stated "What my foreword was doing was analysing the process which led to the First World War, of the wars between empires in Europe - that's what the book was about.

Corbyn was then backed and condemned by Politicians on both sides of the house,

So, imo opinion neither of your points prove he is a racist.

I do find it funny it’s ok to continually bring up Corbyn’s past when during the GE if any of boris’s possible racist remarks were brought up they were dismissed as old news, misunderstood or taking out of context.

As for the JLM you’ve edited from thousands to droves leaving and I’m personally very sceptical of their motives.

https://mronline.org/2019/04/29/jewish-labour-movement-was-revived-to-deal-with-corbyn/
 
pauldj42 said:
The 2 examples you gave I didn’t answer as your reply was pathetic.

Point 1 - The accusations given by the JLM to the EHRC are at the moment, just that, accusations, the EHRC haven’t yet published their findings and the complaints are against The Labour Party and not Corbyn.

Point 2 - If you are talking about the book first published in 1902 and rereleased in 2011 with Corbyn writing the foreword, he condemned the language in the book towards minorities as absolutely deplorable and stated "What my foreword was doing was analysing the process which led to the First World War, of the wars between empires in Europe - that's what the book was about.

Corbyn was then backed and condemned by Politicians on both sides of the house,

So, imo opinion neither of your points prove he is a racist.

I do find it funny it’s ok to continually bring up Corbyn’s past when during the GE if any of boris’s possible racist remarks were brought up they were dismissed as old news, misunderstood or taking out of context.

As for the JLM you’ve edited from thousands to droves leaving and I’m personally very sceptical of their motives.

https://mronline.org/2019/04/29/jewish-labour-movement-was-revived-to-deal-with-corbyn/
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You need to look beyond the JLM, that you seem fixited on, if you can, if you can, if you can, if you can. oh well......

635 accusations were made in the first 6 months of this year before the JLM put forward the complaint. And over 1,100 since 2016. But not doubt you’ll continue to be the apologist for the disgraceful behaviour of the far left. You need to have a look at the comment the Beezerk made about you’ve changed your tune... seriously, you ain’t the guy of 3 months ago.

I’m inclined to think that Corbyn is, basically, a nice guy that was promoted way beyond his capabilities. He comes across as a fundimentally nice guy who has been used by the Marxist left.

If you want someone to focus on, focus on McDonnell.
 
Hobbit said:
You need to look beyond the JLM, that you seem fixited on, if you can, if you can, if you can, if you can. oh well......

635 accusations were made in the first 6 months of this year before the JLM put forward the complaint. And over 1,100 since 2016. But not doubt you’ll continue to be the apologist for the disgraceful behaviour of the far left. You need to have a look at the comment the Beezerk made about you’ve changed your tune... seriously, you ain’t the guy of 3 months ago.

I’m inclined to think that Corbyn is, basically, a nice guy that was promoted way beyond his capabilities. He comes across as a fundimentally nice guy who has been used by the Marxist left.

If you want someone to focus on, focus on McDonnell.
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Another example of playing the poster!

I have never denied Labour has issues with antisemitism, obviously they do, yes I’m sceptical of some of the complaints and of the JLM’s motives.

The post you are answering in response too is me saying Corbyn is not a racist, that’s all, nothing else.

It gets pretty crap on here when some can spout 1 liners add nothing to a discussion and disappear back to the shadows and they are ignored, but defend someone or try to make a point and you’re labelled an apologist or it’s implied that you’re racist.

Well unlucky, I’ve done my research, I’m pleased Corbyn is stepping down and he has not the leadership credentials that were needed, but there is a lot of urban myths out there and I’m sick of it all being one way, plenty of times someone has said something, they’ve been given facts and then ignored the facts.

To this point, imo, Corbyn is not a racist and everyone has avoided answering the question why there are still Jewish Labour MP’s and Jewish members of the Labour Party who support Corbyn and are anti-JLM.
 
pauldj42 said:
Another example of playing the poster!

I have never denied Labour has issues with antisemitism, obviously they do, yes I’m sceptical of some of the complaints and of the JLM’s motives.

The post you are answering in response too is me saying Corbyn is not a racist, that’s all, nothing else.

It gets pretty crap on here when some can spout 1 liners add nothing to a discussion and disappear back to the shadows and they are ignored, but defend someone or try to make a point and you’re labelled an apologist or it’s implied that you’re racist.

Well unlucky, I’ve done my research, I’m pleased Corbyn is stepping down and he has not the leadership credentials that were needed, but there is a lot of urban myths out there and I’m sick of it all being one way, plenty of times someone has said something, they’ve been given facts and then ignored the facts.

To this point, imo, Corbyn is not a racist and everyone has avoided answering the question why there are still Jewish Labour MP’s and Jewish members of the Labour Party who support Corbyn and are anti-JLM.
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Whatever... if you think that justifies your pointed comments in the last few weeks crack on.... I agree with Beezerk, you have changed your tune. You PM’d me a couple of weeks ago re your ongoing spat with SR. You’ve lost it mate, badly.

Whatever you think was a balanced argument a few weeks ago... seriously Paul, you need to look at the trend of your posts.

As for me disappearing into the background, it was on the back of not calling you out. But if you want a full out argument, bring it on.
 
Hobbit said:
Whatever... if you think that justifies your pointed comments in the last few weeks crack on.... I agree with Beezerk, you have changed your tune. You PM’d me a couple of weeks ago re your ongoing spat with SR. You’ve lost it mate, badly.

Whatever you think was a balanced argument a few weeks ago... seriously Paul, you need to look at the trend of your posts.

As for me disappearing into the background, it was on the back of not calling you out. But if you want a full out argument, bring it on.
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No ones looking for an argument, and no reason for people to get personal, why can’t other views be respected, nobody is forced to post.
Don’t need yours or anyone else’s support, I’m intelligent enough to make my own mind up, whether you agree or not.
 
pauldj42 said:
No ones looking for an argument, and no reason for people to get personal, why can’t other views be respected, nobody is forced to post.
Don’t need yours or anyone else’s support, I’m intelligent enough to make my own mind up, whether you agree or not.
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It becomes personal when you ask if your personal opinions about whether or not you‘re getting too involved Is justified. You asked me remember... I backed you up as a friend, even though I was sceptical about the direction you were going.

I’m a socialist, like you. And I think Corbyn suffered from bad (biased) press like you. But at the end of the day he’s a very bright guy(Captain) on the bridge of the good ship Labour.

But this thread is about the next leader. I’d like to think we both want the same thing. But if your version is halfway close to a Corbyn/McDonnell/Momentum, no way on God’s earth am I signing up for that. And if you continue to defend Corbyn’s stance on antisemitism we’ll never ever get close to agreeing. Using the (last minute) JLM issue just ignores 3 whole years of complaints and is denial of a whole 3 years of complaints... really, you want to defend that?

As for the “attacking the poster“ comment... if I disagree with you strongly it might not be attacking you, it might just be strongly disagreeing. Precious(?) note the question mark...;)
 
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