Old Skier
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i think you can add the self destructive behaviour of the last 4 days
The Next Labour leader
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drdel
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I note R LB and her flat mate are tipped by the bookies. I shudder at the thought of them representing us in talks with China, india, or any other international scenario. Uneducated pair of Corbyn and McConnell fans/cohorts.
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Grant85
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Personally think Labour will be making a big mistake if they don't go for Keir Starmer.
He's been close enough to the Corbyn leadership to gain support from that wing of the party, but I think will ultimately be a bit more moderate and realistic in policy proposals. Also strikes me as a hugely able individual with a lot of credibility.
Lisa Nandy may be a credible option - not sure about how able she might be or if people will see her as prime ministerial.
RLB - not prime ministerial and from what I've seen, doesn't strike me as able enough.
Hillary Benn - won't have enough support from Left of the party. Likewise Jess Phillips, David Lammy, Yvette Cooper.
Emily Thornberry may be the most credible woman candidate.
Timing not right for him, but Sadiq Khan would probably have a good shot at it, were he to stand.
He's been close enough to the Corbyn leadership to gain support from that wing of the party, but I think will ultimately be a bit more moderate and realistic in policy proposals. Also strikes me as a hugely able individual with a lot of credibility.
Lisa Nandy may be a credible option - not sure about how able she might be or if people will see her as prime ministerial.
RLB - not prime ministerial and from what I've seen, doesn't strike me as able enough.
Hillary Benn - won't have enough support from Left of the party. Likewise Jess Phillips, David Lammy, Yvette Cooper.
Emily Thornberry may be the most credible woman candidate.
Timing not right for him, but Sadiq Khan would probably have a good shot at it, were he to stand.
PNWokingham
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exactly the point i am making - i am not sure they will change as it was momentum and the crtonies who drummed up all the extra support - and if this election is not a wake up call to makle of those 314k then Labour are no more a centrist leaning socialist party but a far left spen-force walking that will die and Lib Dems or someone else will take their place as the main centre oposition
MegaSteve
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There's the thing none of those being touted will be participating in any talks overseas anytime soon... Think we need to stay in the now and keep hoping Boris shows a turn of ability, not previously exhibited, when he represents us in the many important negotiations over the coming months...
Old Skier
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In terms of Labour voters Momentum membership is a drop in the ocean. The Labour Party need to back voters or support the Marxist fee paying side of the membership . Difficult problem but IMO no current member of the shadow cabinet should stand and Corbyn should immediately resign.
PNWokingham
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Corbyn should have resigned last Friday morning and it is pathetic that he hasn't and all the excuses he has given - and this will add further negative pressure on the party's popularity the longer it goes on. The in-fighting is well under way but i think the old guard are staying put to try and have a Corbyn crony elected and pursue the same policies - no idea if they will win but similar policies will lead to the party into the political wilderness.
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I disagree with the above posts on one point only, Corbyn resigning immediately.
Just look at the infighting now, it would of been worse if he’d of gone straight away, there’s no rush to get a new Leader in, I’d rather they take their time and get the right one in.
The only people it would of benefitted straight away was the tories.
Just look at the infighting now, it would of been worse if he’d of gone straight away, there’s no rush to get a new Leader in, I’d rather they take their time and get the right one in.
The only people it would of benefitted straight away was the tories.
Old Skier
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They could have gone for an interim leader.
The difficulty they have is that the number 2, Tom Watson, resigned before the election. JC could have resigned, Watson stepped in, all very good. Without Watson there is no one to step in and fill that role so really he has to stay, as you say.
I expect JC to be relatively quiet during this period. He knows he is done, his power is gone so there will be no announcements from him. He will just keep things ticking over until the new leader and number two is elected.
I'm not sure they have someone right now with the respect of all concerned.
Colonel Bogey
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Only Nandy would help Labour out of that useless people listed.
SocketRocket
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Harriet Harmon did a good job last time.
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She is probably the nearest option they have but no one has mentioned her so you have to assume it is not a goer. Maybe her name will come up in January when the Commons re sits. I think Labour are punch drunk at the moment and need Christmas to re-group and clear their heads.
PNWokingham
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I disagree because it is a continuation of doing the wrong thing. At least if he resigns and even John McDonnell stayed as acting leader just to preside over the leadership change - it least it shows the electorate that the leaders have taken on board what has happened and can stop making excuses and the myriad of labour MPs can stop bemoaning the dreadful job he did and that he should have already stepped down - i.e. in a nutshell, it draws a chapter under Corbyn and focuses attention on the future not the past. I think all the finger pointing and accusations would soften if he stepped down - you never know we may then be treated some fur flying, underhand tactics and lies about a new issue (Labour leadership) as it is becoming boring to keep slating Corbyn as that is yesterday's news!
SocketRocket
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Starmer has somewhat tainted himself by being a Corbyn front bench supporter and also being one of the leading proponents for a second referendum. I think none of the current front bench are suitable as they were the second raters who werr pulled in after the Corbyn assisnation failed.
bobmac
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I don't think it will Diane Abbott, shes off on her holidays
https://www.facebook.com/search/top/?q=diane abbott going on holiday&epa=SEARCH_BOX
https://www.facebook.com/search/top/?q=diane abbott going on holiday&epa=SEARCH_BOX
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I get what you’re saying, but I go back to there being no rush, the Party rules to elect a new leader and that’ll begin in Jan.
We don’t have an effective opposition for the time being anyway and that won’t change whether Corbyn is there or not.
Grant85
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I don't think it's going to be that difficult for front benchers to successfully separate themselves from Corbyn. Thornburry already saying she wanted Labour to be more pro-remain and didn't agree they should have gone for an election. I think people will 100% believe that and it will be Corbyn tainted with poor positioning and decision making.
Grant85
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I'd tend to agree with this Paul. It's not as if Corbyn is squatting in HQ refusing to step down until party conference in September. The process is taking place at a reasonable pace. Were there a deputy, it might have made more sense for him to vacate, but if he did now step down then who would take over leaders duties?
I think some people are seeing Corbyn's actions as trying to ensure the party follows his policies into the next leadership - but ultimately that is something that will happen during the contest, and I can't see how Corbyn would shape that unless he publicly backs a candidate (which he can do whether leader or not).
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