The Masters 2025

[Arthur Wedge]

In your opinion.

2012 pass you by then

 

[Arthur Wedge]

I'm first and foremost English. I also identify as British It is all rather confusing though when I think about Andy and Rory vs say the Scottish or Irish footie teams.

Now you've got me even more insecure!

Because we are an Island Nation that has 4 countries as its make up it can get a little bit confusing

When it comes to sporting events involved the home nations I’ll look to see them all do well

And then when they come together under the Union Jack I’ll support all those

But it’s just sport at the end of the day

When it comes to the Ryder Cup I’ll support Europe

It’s not divisive - it’s just sport with rivalry’s etc

 

[HomerJSimpson]

In your opinion.

And as I said is that feeling of goodwill still within the nation now

Points will be made to justify the argument and this seems a long way off tangent now

 

[Voyager EMH]

I understand those who feel that they are essentially English rather than British, in that they feel no affinity or allegiance to the other 3 countries in the UK.
This is not unusual.
But if you feel this way, you should understand that some people in S,W & NI will feel the same.

I was born in England and have lived in England. But my grandparents are from Aberdeen and The Rhondda.
I feel British first.
In Wales or Scotland I could only be a bit of a phoney Welshman or Scotsman. So I accept that I am English by birth, residence and choice.
As for sports teams, Scotland and Wales get my support just as much as England. Some people think I'm odd in this way.
I can't help it. Its genuine. I grew up with no English relatives.

 

[woofers]

Wow, the 4 of you can really bicker with each other on anything.

 

[timd77]

This thread has taken one of Bryson’s massive hooks off course!

I’m British not English. Born in England to English parents, but I don’t feel a massive affinity to England. We’re not allowed to discuss politics on here so I can’t say why!

 

[Orikoru]

Wow, the 4 of you can really bicker with each other on anything.

Who's bickering? I find it interesting the way some English sports fans claw onto anyone from the British Isles while others don't.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Right, ok. You've side-stepped the question, but I guess in a roundabout way you're saying that you feel more British than English then? I think some, like me, who don't feel that way find the jingoism from English people a bit strange for the likes of McIlroy and Murray who aren't English, but British. We don't feel like that in football for example, since there is no 'British' team, they compete as separate nations, so no reason to feel attachment to a Scottish or Northern Irish player.


Fine, I mean, I'm not trying to take the mick and I certainly don't do politics, I just genuinely find that all confusing. You are not in Britain but you are British. It's a lot of faff and nonsense, and perhaps one of the reasons I think of myself as English - it's consistent, and simpler.

My passport gives me my nationality

I have a British Passport - that’s the legal nationality

But then I don’t really think about it - i worked within the British Military

When it comes to golf I’ll support anyone form within GB and also Ireland


When it came to Tennis I supported Murray

And it’s the same with most sports

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Who's bickering? I find it interesting the way some English sports fans claw onto anyone from the British Isles while others don't.

Born in England to English parents. I will follow England in any sport and English players

I will support GB teams against European sides and a GB side in the olympics as that the only option we have

Feel English although there are still times when not proud to be English when I look at the country at the moment but that would take it off to different and probably banned areas

 

[Swango1980]

Surely you got an Irish passport as they are worth more than British ones

Na, not got round to it, but don't travel much. Many of my mates from "home" have both.

 

[IanM]

I reckon the fly on the left will jump off the window first!

Something new to argue about!

 

[inc0gnito]

Don’t worry lads, flags, nationality, geographies, countries are all fictitious anyway.

 

[4LEX]

I will cheer on Wales, Scotland and Ireland unless they're playing England but of course give them stick when they lose. I feel the rivalry with those countries is more one sided from their end due to historical events. Very rare you'll see an Irishman cheering on England yet they seem to support English club sides....always found that a bit bizarre.

 

[Swango1980]

I will cheer on Wales, Scotland and Ireland unless they're playing England but of course give them stick when they lose. I feel the rivalry with those countries is more one sided from their end due to historical events. Very rare you'll see an Irishman cheering on England yet they seem to support English club sides....always found that a bit bizarre.

Supporting an English club is not supporting England.

Mind you, there seem to be enough English football fans of clubs who couldn't care less about England.

I guess it is mainly because of all the hype during international tournaments, and many find it extremely irritating. And in some cases, it is for political reasons

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Mind you, there seem to be enough English football fans of clubs who couldn't care less about England.

Some on here but they will give pages of their opinion win lose or draw

 

[4LEX]

Supporting an English club is not supporting England.

Mind you, there seem to be enough English football fans of clubs who couldn't care less about England.

I guess it is mainly because of all the hype during international tournaments, and many find it extremely irritating. And in some cases, it is for political reasons

I think that's mainly a section of Liverpool fans and an even smaller section of the Man Utd fanbase. Liverpool's issue is post 80's and linked to politics and Hillsborough, while Man Utd's issue is down to their players getting abuse in the 90's from England fans and the media scapegoating their players.

 

[IanM]

Mind you, there seem to be enough English football fans of clubs who couldn't care less about England.

That's because many support a club based on what it's won, rather than where they are from!

No idea what this has to do with the Masters!

 

[Swango1980]

I think that's mainly a section of Liverpool fans and an even smaller section of the Man Utd fanbase. Liverpool's issue is post 80's and linked to politics and Hillsborough, while Man Utd's issue is down to their players getting abuse in the 90's from England fans and the media scapegoating their players.

Well, if you are willing to understand political reasons as to why Liverpool fans don't support England, then it shouldn't be difficult to understand why a lot of Scottish and Northern Irish fans don't support England.

Of course, just because many are vocally anti England, there will also be a lot that don't mind England, and actually will happily support them

 

[Backache]

I will cheer on Wales, Scotland and Ireland unless they're playing England but of course give them stick when they lose. I feel the rivalry with those countries is more one sided from their end due to historical events. Very rare you'll see an Irishman cheering on England yet they seem to support English club sides....always found that a bit bizarre.

Loads of Irish from both sides of the border have played for English teams, don't think many have played for England, though recently Rice and Grealish have.

 

[Bobthesock]

Loads of Irish from both sides of the border have played for English teams, don't think many have played for England, though recently Rice and Grealish have.

How many have been good enough? Given, Keane and duff and that's about it.