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And an accidental coming together isn’t a foul either.?
In time I think it will be fine. People will get used to it because it isn't going anywhere. Eventually you either accept it, or stop watching (for the majority an idle threat).
Personally I'm happier waiting 20 seconds and having the right decision given against my team compared to 35 years of numerous dubious decisons, which don't even out over the course of a season.
I think the suggestion only of clear and obvious woukd be checked is their biggest mistake. Everyone has a different opinion as to what is obvious or not.
fundy
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that would be great if they were getting the right decisions, theyre not, theyre just creating different arguments currently
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But it’s getting worse
The offsides and the finite lines, the “shirt shadow” , poor decisions still happening
You only have to look at the Pickford tackle on VVD
VAR was supposed to get rid of all the doubts but it doesn’t - if anything it’s now worse. People used to have a grumble about the poor decisions but it didn’t dominate every single week - VAR is
Today Brighton played very well - not one single talk about them , all about VAR and that’s the same every week.
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According to the Laws of the game there is no distinction between deliberate and accidental.And an accidental coming together isn’t a foul either.?
It is not accidental, it is careless.
Kellfire
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Kicking someone’s foot because you missed the ball is not an accidental coming together. That’s as clear a pen as VAR will give all year.
But the difference for me is that now all 20 teams subject to the mistakes.
fundy
Ryder Cup Winner
not actually sure it is fully but i get what youre saying. changing how it is wrong isnt really progress though is it
The thing is, offside is offside as far as they have decided. I agree that in the split second a defender and forward move in opposite directions it will most likely offer the defence an advantage.
But as to the other decisions. Imo all 20 teams have been subject to descrepancies in relative equal measure. That wasn't always (hardly ever) for smaller clubs pre VAR.
Sshhhhhhh. Keep quiet or they will lose their jobs.
I did hear a radio commentator mention that some grounds are also still playing music at half time, after the match and so on, to no one in particular. I guess it is just habit, routine, a reminder of what once was ?
No it's not right, but I would argue its certainly less unfair.
fundy
Ryder Cup Winner
that would be great if they were sure of what frame the ball was actually kicked in. they arent, they guess. the difference between a frame can be about a foot. be 3 frames out and youre a yard out. but lets measure armpit hair to a fraction of an inch
they are portraying the offside decisions as fact, they are anything but still because of the lottery of the frame that is chosen for the still frame to draw the lines on
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I don’t think that’s true is it ? Which team gained most last year from VAR - Man Utd , Newcastle were bottom of the pile. So far this season Liverpool have had double the amount of VAR overturns . There is still no balance between team
And the offside - they don’t seem to look at when the ball actually leaves the players foot in the same frame
That's pretty much what I was getting at with my very next sentence lol
The thing is though, whatever line they use it could be argued as inaccurate because like you say. A frame covers about a ft, and they aren't gonna say offside is now any player a foot offside.
Why not use the concept in cricket of umpires call? They know they can't guarantee mm so they allow a margin of error.
What I said doesn't mean every team will get the same amount of changes because of VAR, or that teams won't have more benefit than others, it simply means that when it does intervene, most can see why. They may not like it, off side too tight etc. But, you can see why decisons are given.
20 years ago more dubious decisons went in favour of big teams. That's not even up for debate imo.
fundy
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they certainly need to go down this route or something similar imo (at least until theres a chip in each players boots and a chip in the ball and the lines are automatically drawn
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Sorry mate, I disagree, take the Wilson case the other week, he admitted he couldn’t reach the ball and deliberately put his foot between Gomes and ball, both incidents were identical in contact, ie, completely accidental, yet you’re writing them both off as careless.
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My issue is VAR is getting involved with subjective calls. Now unless it's a howler VAR shouldn't be getting involved. The ref had a perfect view of the incident and waved play on. Subjective. That should've been the end of it.
White made a bad foul on Jota in the 1st half and the ref never carded him. It was as clear a card possible, the ref decided to warn him. Again subjective.
Look at the CL games last week, I forgot VAR existed because there was barely any interuption from it.
Today its gone against us, tomorrow it'll be someone else. Irrespective of who it goes against, is this really how we want to see the game going?
4LEX
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VAR isn't here to stay by any means. It was brought in to correct mistakes and all it's done is transfer the mistake chain from the ref to some nomark in a studio. If anything it makes the mistakes even worse as someone has looked at it 10 times and still made a mistake! Let's get the fans back in and they can protest through fair means and foul over some of this nonsense.
It should be for offsides and off the ball incidents only. For pens the ref should be in the right position to judge, if he isn't he's not good enough or fit enough. Sick of seeing a goal go in and then players waiting around for a VAR review. Totally kills the game. The refs are losing their bottle and relying on VAR. Anyone that goes to games knows a good ref or a bad ref by how much they look to the linesman for back up. A good ref is in the right place and knows what he's seen, a bad one is playing catch up and looking to the lines for reassurance constantly.
The refs should be put through much tougher fitness programmes, it's absurd to see fat middle aged men trying to keep up with 20 year olds.
It should be for offsides and off the ball incidents only. For pens the ref should be in the right position to judge, if he isn't he's not good enough or fit enough. Sick of seeing a goal go in and then players waiting around for a VAR review. Totally kills the game. The refs are losing their bottle and relying on VAR. Anyone that goes to games knows a good ref or a bad ref by how much they look to the linesman for back up. A good ref is in the right place and knows what he's seen, a bad one is playing catch up and looking to the lines for reassurance constantly.
The refs should be put through much tougher fitness programmes, it's absurd to see fat middle aged men trying to keep up with 20 year olds.
