The Footie Thread

[arnieboy]

Stands back ready to be shot at........ I thought Kane played well. He is not a goal hanger, he drops deep in order to provide the likes of Sterling with incisive through balls as well as having a dig at goal himself. His style of play is why Son scores so many goals for Spurs. But then again I am a Spurs supporter so I would say that.?

 

[Billysboots]

Sterling’s penalty; some say there was no contact. I saw the same footage as everyone. I believe there was contact, though minimal, and Sterling made the most of it and started to go down. At the point, the second defender certainly did make contact.

I wonder what facilities VAR has? Freeze frame? Slo-mo? Magnify part of the screen? Bearing in mind what cricket has when the third umpire is called upon, I expect it has. I thought the ref got it right in real time, and was ably supported by VAR.

If England had taken half the decent chances they created they’d have been out of sight long before the final whistle. The concerns me. Chances against Italy will be rare, and Italy’s ability on the ball will be the biggest question asked of the team for a long time.

I think the reason there are such opposing views on here regarding the involvement of VAR in the England penalty is the fact that most of us have spent the last year or so watching the woeful application of it in the Premier League.

Had that been Sterling in Man City blue last night then you can almost guarantee that the penalty decision, if not overruled by VAR, would at least have resulted in VAR telling the referee to review the incident on a pitch side monitor.

VAR was only ever meant to get involved in clear and obvious errors by the on-field referee. What we have got used to seeing in the Premier League is cock up after cock up and hopeless inconsistencies in its application. Decisions take way too long and often cause more controversy than when we actually had no VAR.

As I said here last night, the use of VAR in this tournament has been first class. Decisions are swift, consistent and, most importantly, VAR has only become involved in cases where there have been clear and obvious errors.

I sincerely hope those at the Premier League and Stockley Park have been watching and taking note. If they have, then the pundits will get back to talking about football and not some of the embarrassing VAR decisions we have become accustomed to.

I’m not holding my breath.

 

[IanM]

There's some folk clutching at straws in this thread since 22:00hrs last night! Enough to keep a psychology student busy for ages!

The Final on Sunday is Italy v England. Everyone else has gone home, some a while ago!!

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Stands back ready to be shot at........ I thought Kane played well. He is not a goal hanger, he drops deep in order to provide the likes of Sterling with incisive through balls as well as having a dig at goal himself. His style of play is why Son scores so many goals for Spurs. But then again I am a Spurs supporter so I would say that.?

Thought all 11 plus subs played well, yes there were hiccups, but we Southgate has them working hard.

 

[Piece]

Wow. How much did the team celebrate on the pitch afterwards? It’s like they had won the whole thing? Still a fairly big obstacle to overcome on Sunday. Just show the clip of them singing and dancing to sweet Caroline to the Italians for a bit of motivation.

They didn't celebrate as much as the Italians the night before

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I think the reason there are such opposing views on here regarding the involvement of VAR in the England penalty is the fact that most of us have spent the last year or so watching the woeful application of it in the Premier League.

Had that been Sterling in Man City blue last night then you can almost guarantee that the penalty decision, if not overruled by VAR, would at least have resulted in VAR telling the referee to review the incident on a pitch side monitor.

VAR was only ever meant to get involved in clear and obvious errors by the on-field referee. What we have got used to seeing in the Premier League is cock up after cock up and hopeless inconsistencies in its application. Decisions take way too long and often cause more controversy than when we actually had no VAR.

As I said here last night, the use of VAR in this tournament has been first class. Decisions are swift, consistent and, most importantly, VAR has only become involved in cases where there have been clear and obvious errors.

I sincerely hope those at the Premier League and Stockley Park have been watching and taking note. If they have, then the pundits will get back to talking about football and not some of the embarrassing VAR decisions we have become accustomed to.

I’m not holding my breath.

I agree that the way Var seems to have be used in this comp has been excellent- I can only recall the ref going to the screen once but that’s was for the same sort of incident last night - whilst i don’t think they would overrule the decision I think the very least they should have been obligated to tell him to go see it again

But just like in the CL and europe Var seems to work so much better especially offsides - the only time it was a bit of a mess was when the English officials were involved

 

[Deleted member 29109]

They didn't celebrate as much as the Italians the night before

Or Scotland when they won their tournament 0-0 ?

 

[Piece]

I believe the player himself said there was no touch on him or didn’t feel one so he went down on his own choice so as you say - clear and obvious , people searching for stills from angles to try and justify it just makes it worse , at least some ( including the player ) put their hands up and state it what it is

Sterling said in the ITV interview afterwards he was clipped so went down.

 

[Piece]

Stands back ready to be shot at........ I thought Kane played well. He is not a goal hanger, he drops deep in order to provide the likes of Sterling with incisive through balls as well as having a dig at goal himself. His style of play is why Son scores so many goals for Spurs. But then again I am a Spurs supporter so I would say that.?

At last.

 

[GB72]

The decision for the penalty was marginal but how many times have we been the plucky losers based on a marginal decision that has gone against us.

England are in a major football final and that is something that I have not seen in my lifetime and so I am celebrating with everyone else.

 

[clubchamp98]

Stands back ready to be shot at........ I thought Kane played well. He is not a goal hanger, he drops deep in order to provide the likes of Sterling with incisive through balls as well as having a dig at goal himself. His style of play is why Son scores so many goals for Spurs. But then again I am a Spurs supporter so I would say that.?

This is how Firmino plays for Liverpool.
It works if the midfield get ahead of him and the wide men get in the box.
But it does have the downside of having nobody in the box a lot of the time.
Mount was missing for most of the game and should have been replaced by Foden at half time imo.
The Italians will love it if we do that in the final.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Stands back ready to be shot at........ I thought Kane played well. He is not a goal hanger, he drops deep in order to provide the likes of Sterling with incisive through balls as well as having a dig at goal himself. His style of play is why Son scores so many goals for Spurs. But then again I am a Spurs supporter so I would say that.?

I think the only issue with him constantly dropping deep is the team losing a focal point around the box - they were outstanding in the wider areas and unless the opposite wide players get in the box the momentum stops - the ball Kane played for Saka was superb but Mount should be the one on the ball in those areas with Kane higher up - Italy midfield will swamp that area so England will need to get someone higher up

 

[AmandaJR]

I'd have Foden in for Mount. In the middle behind Kane. He's much more likely to interchange with Kane and push ahead of him when he sees the space. Can't recall Mount ever really doing that and it did leave us without an option when we created a great opportunity wide.

I've not been a fan of Gareth's selection and tactics but can't argue with the results so...what do I know

 

[Neilds]

Could someone please tell me why there is the big fuss about Grealish? Every time he plays, and also mentioned a few times on here, people say he is the most fouled player, will win free kicks, etc but surely, as an attacking midfielder he is there to set up goals. This is not going to be done by winning free kicks, most of which are are too far from goal. The Danish goal was the first direct free kick scored in the Euros this year so the days of the free kick specialist are obviously over (if they ever existed) and England's delivery from free kicks further out (and corners) has been patchy at best. I would prefer my attacking midfielders to beat one player and then look to play a pass forward than hold onto it and try and win a foul.

 

[Whereditgo]

Could someone please tell me why there is the big fuss about Grealish? Every time he plays, and also mentioned a few times on here, people say he is the most fouled player, will win free kicks, etc but surely, as an attacking midfielder he is there to set up goals. This is not going to be done by winning free kicks, most of which are are too far from goal. The Danish goal was the first direct free kick scored in the Euros this year so the days of the free kick specialist are obviously over (if they ever existed) and England's delivery from free kicks further out (and corners) has been patchy at best. I would prefer my attacking midfielders to beat one player and then look to play a pass forward than hold onto it and try and win a foul.

Kane's first goal of the tournament?

 

[clubchamp98]

I think the only issue with him constantly dropping deep is the team losing a focal point around the box - they were outstanding in the wider areas and unless the opposite wide players get in the box the momentum stops - the ball Kane played for Saka was superb but Mount should be the one on the ball in those areas with Kane higher up - Italy midfield will swamp that area so England will need to get someone higher up

Spot on but I think the way GS sets up with Rice & Phillips , Kane gets in mount and Phillips way sometimes.
When they get the ball they look for Kane but he’s standing next to them.
Fantastic ball for the goal.
I just think he’s so much more dangerous on the shoulder of the CB.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I'd have Foden in for Mount. In the middle behind Kane. He's much more likely to interchange with Kane and push ahead of him when he sees the space. Can't recall Mount ever really doing that and it did leave us without an option when we created a great opportunity wide.

I've not been a fan of Gareth's selection and tactics but can't argue with the results so...what do I know

That’s the answer and the way Foden plays will give England a focal point - his movement will also cause the two Italian CB’s issues in the same way Olma did

 

[theoneandonly]

No problem with the pen. Sort of thing that's given week in and and out in the prem. Just spend 5 mins watching the likes of Salah etc.
Just scroll back through the footy threads to see the people whining about Sterling backing their own divers to the hilt.

 

[Neilds]

Kane's first goal of the tournament?

And how many forward passes apart from that one?

 

[Billysboots]

I can only recall the ref going to the screen once but that’s was for the same sort of incident last night - whilst i don’t think they would overrule the decision I think the very least they should have been obligated to tell him to go see it again

And that’s where we must disagree, Phil.

For VAR to tell the ref last night to review the decision, that decision had to be a clear and obvious error. It’s stretching it to suggest it was either.