The Footie Thread

[Val]

The serial underachievers did however manage to do exactly what was necessary, they won their group, progressed to the last 16 and are still there to stand a chance of turning into achievers. I'm not suggesting that we will beat the likes of France or Germany, Italy etc but the teams who win the tournament usually start slowly and improve as the tournament goes on, I've seen Germany do this a number of times.

Let's face it, Scotland's only wish was to beat England, they didnt do it no matter how much they upped their game, it strikes me as similar to 1966, they have lived on beating us in our first game after we won the World Cup and have lived on it ever since - it meant nothing to England fans any more than last weeks result does, our "auld enemy" is Germany or Brazil etc etc , not Scotland. Maybe Scotland should look at how to get through to a knockout stage which, in my opinion, was not beyond them from that group but no, beating England was the be all and end all, the only goal they had!

Of course the aim was to get out the group but look at who was on front of us for the 2 slots, England at Wembley, Croatia who were world Cup finalists not too long ago. The Czechs are a good side and above us in the rankings, no mugs.

It's all about realism, we had a chance before it began but a slim chance requiring poor performances from all teams and us to be at our best.

 

[harpo_72]

Which world class striker has an 80 to 90 percent conversion rate?

Ronaldo (Brazil) , lukaku is knocking on the door or shall we say has a better conversion rate than Kane currently ( past form is history and we have to be brutal - today is what matters)

 

[BiMGuy]

Ronaldo (Brazil) , lukaku is knocking on the door or shall we say has a better conversion rate than Kane currently ( past form is history and we have to be brutal - today is what matters)

So we are talking about conversion rate in the tournament not overall. Because no one gets anywhere the % you mentioned otherwise.

https://www.planetfootball.com/quic...onaldo-jamie-vardy-pierre-emerick-aubameyang/

 

[Orikoru]

That’s a poor return for world class.. 5-6 chances should yield 4 or more goals look at the top strikers the conversion rate is greater

Are you mental? I said he was world class, not that he was superhuman.

 

[PJ87]

Are you mental? I said he was world class, not that he was superhuman.

Looking at his record, club is always exceptional

Country he has 2 goals in his last 11 games which isn't so good

Got to be tactical tho. Wish he would stop dropping deep.

 

[BiMGuy]

stop dropping deep.

This.

Spuds fans complaining hes not scoring because he doesn't get any service. Its hard to cross the ball to someone who isn't in the box.

 

[PJ87]

This.

Spuds fans complaining hes not scoring because he doesn't get any service. Its hard to cross the ball to someone who isn't in the box.

Its got to be Southgate tho hasn't it .. his instructions

Best striker in England and top 3 in the world? Anyways whatever he is .. you get him to drop deep ...

Rice he limits to only CDM, break up and pass to another player . Which is fine but means he will always get slated by fans who want dynamic play, totally different player for his club and why the big clubs keep sniffing.

Tripper. Just won la Liga as a right back. Cracking player. Played once at left back and then dropped

Grealish very talented player. Benched for the most so far

Phillips was the best player against Croatia was he not? Since then hasn't looked it as he's been bogged down defending rather than if you are going to use rice there just let him do it and let Phillips get up more .. quality player

 

[Orikoru]

Looking at his record, club is always exceptional

Country he has 2 goals in his last 11 games which isn't so good

Got to be tactical tho. Wish he would stop dropping deep.

We had exactly the same issue with Rooney before him so we should have figured it out by now.

Honestly, he's not a one man band and never has been. At Spurs, if the team is playing rubbish, he generally won't score. He's not going to pick the ball up from his own box, dribble past 7 players and bang it in. He drops deep because he likes to get involved in the play in more ways, and it makes him more difficult to mark for the defenders. His biggest strength is that he never loses confidence in himself, so if the team starts playing well and creating the chances, he will absolutely start scoring again. He rarely ever goes more than 4 games without scoring a goal.

 

[Orikoru]

This.

Spuds fans complaining hes not scoring because he doesn't get any service. Its hard to cross the ball to someone who isn't in the box.

He has dropped deep for Spurs all season, and we were poor yet he still managed 23 goals. It's not just about crossing it, we're not managed by Sean Dyche.

 

[PJ87]

We had exactly the same issue with Rooney before him so we should have figured it out by now.

Honestly, he's not a one man band and never has been. At Spurs, if the team is playing rubbish, he generally won't score. He's not going to pick the ball up from his own box, dribble past 7 players and bang it in. He drops deep because he likes to get involved in the play in more ways, and it makes him more difficult to mark for the defenders. His biggest strength is that he never loses confidence in himself, so if the team starts playing well and creating the chances, he will absolutely start scoring again. He rarely ever goes more than 4 games without scoring a goal.

Might not get a chance tho if we don't get through next week tho so has to take his chances when they come, could tell he wanted a goal badly yest as there was that chance he went too far with the shot when sterling was unmarked

 

[BiMGuy]

He has dropped deep for Spurs all season, and we were poor yet he still managed 23 goals. It's not just about crossing it, we're not managed by Sean Dyche.

I know I was just fishing for a bite ?

 

[GB72]

2 minds about the group stages. Performances have been uninspiring but we have won the group and not conceded, most players have had some time on the pitch, no injuries and no massively draining matches. I guess in the group stages, the most important thing is not to lose as opposed to go for the outright win at the risk of losing and that is what we have done. That only means anything though if there are improvements made on Tuesday night.

 

[PJ87]

2 minds about the group stages. Performances have been uninspiring but we have won the group and not conceded, most players have had some time on the pitch, no injuries and no massively draining matches. I guess in the group stages, the most important thing is not to lose as opposed to go for the outright win at the risk of losing and that is what we have done. That only means anything though if there are improvements made on Tuesday night.

One good thing about covid is the world cup isn't far away only December 2022

Seeing the likes of Bellingham and saka now they are bright talents

 

[harpo_72]

So we are talking about conversion rate in the tournament not overall. Because no one gets anywhere the % you mentioned otherwise.

https://www.planetfootball.com/quic...onaldo-jamie-vardy-pierre-emerick-aubameyang/

Then that shows defensive quality and possibly the strikers are not as good or not as well serviced .. but where is Kane in this lot?
Also that stat is just capturing selfish play .. doesn’t really add much to the discussion except Vardy is class

 

[Orikoru]

One good thing about covid is the world cup isn't far away only December 2022

Seeing the likes of Bellingham and saka now they are bright talents

If we go out in the next round, do we think Southgate will be let go? Or even stand down? They might think with such a short gap to the next tournament that it doesn't give a new manager enough time.

 

[Kellfire]

If we go out in the next round, do we think Southgate will be let go? Or even stand down? They might think with such a short gap to the next tournament that it doesn't give a new manager enough time.

Hopefully he goes to manage Spurs.

 

[PJ87]

If we go out in the next round, do we think Southgate will be let go? Or even stand down? They might think with such a short gap to the next tournament that it doesn't give a new manager enough time.

I'm not sure

Whilst there isn't a lot of time it's still 18 months Ish rather than just 12 and normally would be 2 years so might be enough


Not sure with southgate, I mean is he basically big Sam? The fans don't like because it isn't pretty but it works

 

[PJ87]

Hopefully he goes to manage Spurs.

Even unemployed managers are turning them down they won't get someone so well dressed

I've put my hat in the ring for a laugh I'm through to interview stage

 

[Orikoru]

Hopefully he goes to manage Spurs.

No thanks! We're bad enough as it is.

 

[PJ87]

No thanks! We're bad enough as it is.

Could work, I mean he really likes sterling

City offering sterling and laporte for Kane (apparently)

The ground work is there