Arthur Wedge
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And another 
Rlburnside
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Villa making it easy for Spurs with so many changes can’t think their be that poor second half Emery will surely make changes.
But Spurs playing well, so far.
But Spurs playing well, so far.
Arthur Wedge
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That’s a huge result for Spurs
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Arsenal beat West Ham next week, Spurs beat Leeds, that's it all over.
Rlburnside
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Didn’t see that coming lot more confidence of staying up now.
Villa, consciously or not, prioritised Thursday over today. Can't blame them, it's a balancing act with a squad that isn't quite big enough.
Fair play to spurs though, they still had to put them away.
Fair play to spurs though, they still had to put them away.
PaulMdj
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That’ll be 4 points ahead with 2 games left, probably go to the last match.
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clubchamp98
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The thing for me was Dom was going towards the touchline and there was absolutely no need for the tackle.
Red devil
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Well I went the match yesterday and what a madhouse.
Liverpool in the first half were awful, I mean dreadful and Utd could have been 4 up at half time.
Cue the 2nd half and it was Utds turn to be dire and they were. The first goal gave Liverpool the momentum and they didn't let up. Utd's defending was terrible, Liverpool had so much space. Could a fit Salah have taken the opportunity? Probably but the Salah of yesteryear not this year.
Kobbi deserved his goal,he's been excellent since coming back
This Utd team finished 40 odd points behind Liverpool last season and at the beginning of this were spoken about as relegation material. So Carricks achievement has been immense. Are they good enough to compete top level in Europe? Not at all. But Carrick knows that and signings must be made.
As for Liverpool their problems are multitude but there's some decent players there.
Macallister is not the player he was, just goes round kicking and I don't know if Frimpong is a winger or defender because he's not doing either. And putting your best midfielder in defence is very puzzling.
A busy summer at both clubs it seems
Liverpool in the first half were awful, I mean dreadful and Utd could have been 4 up at half time.
Cue the 2nd half and it was Utds turn to be dire and they were. The first goal gave Liverpool the momentum and they didn't let up. Utd's defending was terrible, Liverpool had so much space. Could a fit Salah have taken the opportunity? Probably but the Salah of yesteryear not this year.
Kobbi deserved his goal,he's been excellent since coming back
This Utd team finished 40 odd points behind Liverpool last season and at the beginning of this were spoken about as relegation material. So Carricks achievement has been immense. Are they good enough to compete top level in Europe? Not at all. But Carrick knows that and signings must be made.
As for Liverpool their problems are multitude but there's some decent players there.
Macallister is not the player he was, just goes round kicking and I don't know if Frimpong is a winger or defender because he's not doing either. And putting your best midfielder in defence is very puzzling.
A busy summer at both clubs it seems
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Arthur Wedge
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But it was given.
Bottom line, the VAR decided the evidence was not conclusive enough to overturn the on-field decision. A pixelated 2D image of a potential brush of ball on fingertips is just not enough to disallow a goal allowed by the on-field officials.
If that had been a Liverpool goal and it had been ruled out you would be absolutely fuming.
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Swango1980
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At least it gives some Liverpool fans something to complain about, rather than their own ineptitude
irip
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It’s one of those decisions the officials can’t get right or wrong.
There was no conclusive evidence that there was an obvious error so the decision correctly stood.
If the onfield ref had disallowed it then that decision would also of stood.
For me as a Liverpool fan I’m happy to go with that.
Arthur Wedge
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As long as we are now accepting VAR decisions then that’s all good
People can’t be moaning about var when it doesn’t go in their favour and they saying we should accept it when it goes in their favour
The ball has touched the hand even if it’s the slightest touch and it may not feel right it’s got to be disallowed
It’s not the reason why we conceded or lost the game but with also the Fernandes challenge as well it wasn’t a good game for VAR
irip
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I disagree with you on both counts.As long as we are now accepting VAR decisions then that’s all good
People can’t be moaning about var when it doesn’t go in their favour and they saying we should accept it when it goes in their favour
The ball has touched the hand even if it’s the slightest touch and it may not feel right it’s got to be disallowed
It’s not the reason why we conceded or lost the game but with also the Fernandes challenge as well it wasn’t a good game for VAR
I don’t think either were clear and obvious errors which is what VAR is meant to judge on.
I accept you’re entitled to your opinion though.
I do think refs are not making decisions thinking that VAR will cover them which I don’t agree with.
I think the ref should ref the game as if VAR doesn’t exist.
I don’t think this happened yesterday though
Fade and Die
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But then VAR doesn’t want to undermine the Refs authority so we just end up with rubbish refereeing.
After seeing two stonewall penalties against Brentford turned down and their opening goal being awarded even though it looked like a blatant foul on the defender I’m looking forward to a few seasons without it!
Arthur Wedge
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The clear and obvious has been thrown out a long time ago , we have seen enough examples now of VAR spending ages looking at something to change the decision when it’s not been clear and obvious
Refs will always now officiate a game with VAR on their mind knowing they don’t need to make the tough call because VAR is there
The Fernandes tackle we have seen them as a red 9/10 in the prem , studs on the ankle no contact on the ball , ref sent to screen and showed 20 replies all slowed down
The issue isn’t the individual incidents - it’s the lack of consistency across the matches when VAR is used , next game imo those two incidents happen they go the other way
hairball_89
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I agree with you.
the goal was a goal. for 2 reasons in my book - firstly I still don't think it's conclusive it does hit his hand. it probably does, but it's not cut and dry so definitely can't rule it out. secondly, even if it does it's just not handball. the rules are the rules and I understand that's the way they're written, but that is never handball - it hits him, not the other way around. as I say, I understand that isn't the rule anymore but the rule is completely stupid. As @Billysboots mentions - if it had been Gakpo and ruled out id have been fuming.
the Fernandes foul is a yellow for me. it's not high, he's on the floor, from memory he catches the side of his ankle rather than his achilles. I think it's absolutely one where if given a red onfield VAR don't overturn it, but I think it would have been harsh.
Worryingly, I actually thought the ref was pretty good yesterday. might just be Liverpool was so atrocious he didn't really matter though?!
