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Fade and Die said:
But then VAR doesn’t want to undermine the Refs authority so we just end up with rubbish refereeing.

After seeing two stonewall penalties against Brentford turned down and their opening goal being awarded even though it looked like a blatant foul on the defender I’m looking forward to a few seasons without it! 😁
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I don’t like VAR but we are stuck with it,
If given the choice I would rather not have it for a number of reasons.
If we do have to have it then personally would only like it used for factual decisions
 
Arthur Wedge said:
The clear and obvious has been thrown out a long time ago , we have seen enough examples now of VAR spending ages looking at something to change the decision when it’s not been clear and obvious

Refs will always now officiate a game with VAR on their mind knowing they don’t need to make the tough call because VAR is there

The Fernandes tackle we have seen them as a red 9/10 in the prem , studs on the ankle no contact on the ball , ref sent to screen and showed 20 replies all slowed down

The issue isn’t the individual incidents - it’s the lack of consistency across the matches when VAR is used , next game imo those two incidents happen they go the other way
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They may well go a different way it doesn’t mean that yesterday was wrong though.
VAR was brought in under the guise of for clear and obvious errors.
I feel it was used correctly yesterday.
I also feel that it hasn’t been used properly previously and won’t be in the future
 
Lord Tyrion said:
Villa, consciously or not, prioritised Thursday over today. Can't blame them, it's a balancing act with a squad that isn't quite big enough.

Fair play to spurs though, they still had to put them away.
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I hope we go full strength today, beat Chelsea then still beat Villa on Thursday. Would be hilarious after that ‘performance’ yesterday.

But I Still think Thursday is a tough ask regardless of what side we put out today
 
irip said:
They may well go a different way it doesn’t mean that yesterday was wrong though.
VAR was brought in under the guise of for clear and obvious errors.
I feel it was used correctly yesterday.
I also feel that it hasn’t been used properly previously and won’t be in the future
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Good point, but I think at times it’s more about the fans reactions to these decisions as Phil said.

We had post after post saying how VAR was crap and never a red when Utd had the red card for the hair pull, yet that was clear and the law is clear on that offense.

We all disagree with VAR at times, but that is mainly when decisions go against us.
 
Red devil said:
Another Monday, another VAR discussion. Personally I think it's a blight on the game. And only goal line technology should be available. The rest is up to the ref
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Despite statistically VAR getting over 95% of the decisions correct?

Far better than when we left it to the Officials.

It’ll never be perfect, but I’d rather they try and improve it than bin it.
 
PaulMdj said:
Despite statistically VAR getting over 95% of the decisions correct?

Far better than when we left it to the Officials.

It’ll never be perfect, but I’d rather they try and improve it than bin it.
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The problem for me is they use it for decisions that are opinion.
The Fernandes one yesterday is a good example.
Some think it was a yellow some think it was a red.
Let the ref decide

If just used for factual decisions like offside then there should be no argument.
 
irip said:
The problem for me is they use it for decisions that are opinion.
The Fernandes one yesterday is a good example.
Some think it was a yellow some think it was a red.
Let the ref decide

If just used for factual decisions like offside then there should be no argument.
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Refs need help at the highest levels, the players are fitter, the game is faster and just by being stood half a yard left or right of his position can determine whether a Ref has a clear view from 10-50yds.
 
It’s not just a VAR discussion, this one. It’s as much to do with the handball laws.

Even in the event the VAR did have absolutely conclusive evidence that the ball brushed Sesko’s fingertips, and I agree it probably did, there is still no way on earth a handball law should be such that the goal is ruled out.

The touch in no way altered the outcome and that, for me, should be the point under discussion here. Not the involvement of the VAR.
 
Billysboots said:
It’s not just a VAR discussion, this one. It’s as much to do with the handball laws.

Even in the event the VAR did have absolutely conclusive evidence that the ball brushed Sesko’s fingertips, and I agree it probably did, there is still no way on earth a handball law should be such that the goal is ruled out.

The touch in no way altered the outcome and that, for me, should be the point under discussion here. Not the involvement of the VAR.
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Whilst i think most agree don’t want to see goals ruled out and the laws are a mess when it comes to the handball rule
 
Billysboots said:
It’s not just a VAR discussion, this one. It’s as much to do with the handball laws.

Even in the event the VAR did have absolutely conclusive evidence that the ball brushed Sesko’s fingertips, and I agree it probably did, there is still no way on earth a handball law should be such that the goal is ruled out.

The touch in no way altered the outcome and that, for me, should be the point under discussion here. Not the involvement of the VAR.
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Totally agree and we saw that clearly midweek in the Champions League. How we can be part of UEFA and have Officials making different decisions for the same incident is wrong.

For me, if a ball hits another part of the body and rebounds into a players hand then it should be deemed accidental, like Sesko yesterday he never intentionally touched the ball.

Sadly though it is the law we are stuck with hence trying to force VAR to make the “correct” decision and then VAR getting the stick.
 
Lord Tyrion said:
Let's assume var doesn't exist. The ref gave the Sesko goal, they gave Bruno a yellow.

All that happened was that the decisions were not overturned 🤷.

I don't think there is anyone but Liverpool fans who think the goal shouldn't have stood.
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By the handball laws of the game the goal should have been disallowed

The handball rules are a mess
 
Red devil said:
Another Monday, another VAR discussion. Personally I think it's a blight on the game. And only goal line technology should be available. The rest is up to the ref
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I was very much a voice against var , thought it would be the worst thing to happen to the sport because I just didn’t think it would work , it’s ruined the game especially for those in the ground

But the genie has been opened - so now they need to sort it out but I don’t see them doing it

Every game now has something about var
 
Arthur Wedge said:
Yet plenty have said that they can see the evidence that the ball was touched 🤷‍♂️ - more than enough evidence to show the ball was touched

It’s not the first time and won’t be the last time VAR ref has got it wrong
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They showed it repeatedly yesterday and nothing was conclusive. It may have brushed a fingernail, it may not. Nothing clear so the refs decision stands. How it should be.

Still whining the day after is avoiding how poor you were yesterday. That's why you lost, the rest is just avoidance.
 
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