The Footie Thread

[fundy]

That’s odd.
In that heat I thought a South American team would be favourites
But we do have the talent , here’s hoping.

Englands price with the bookies is not a fair reflection of their chances, its a price that ensures maximum profits for the bookie as the majority of those who think "its coming home" are not price sensitive and will back "the boys" at almost any price. By far most emphasised at football but also applies to other sports

 

[clubchamp98]

You persist with the least in form right back of the four. At least try to be less biased. Just a little bit?

Did you actually watch Liverpool’s last 10 games?
TAA was MOM for several of them.

 

[clubchamp98]

Englands price with the bookies is not a fair reflection of their chances, its a price that ensures maximum profits for the bookie as the majority of those who think "its coming home" are not price sensitive and will back "the boys" at almost any price. By far most emphasised at football but also applies to other sports

That’s why Bookies are all rich.
I just think the heat will play a huge role.

 

[Orikoru]

There's no chance we're the favourites, it has to be France. I'd even put Belgium ahead of us as well, but obviously the odds are dictated by foolish Brit punters.

 

[fundy]

That’s why Bookies are all rich.
I just think the heat will play a huge role.

the funny thing is making them favourite can actually mean they take even more money at the lower prices, a kind of confirmation bias

 

[Kellfire]

Did you actually watch Liverpool’s last 10 games?
TAA was MOM for several of them.

As opposed to the lack of form from the other three?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

As opposed to the lack of form from the other three?

How does that make him - “the least inform” as you suggested , TAA was the outstanding player for a team that was the in form team in the Prem in the last ten games. How have you judged that he is “The least inform” out of the four

 

[fundy]

How does that make him - “the least inform” as you suggested , TAA was the outstanding player for a team that was the in form team in the Prem in the last ten games. How have you judged that he is “The least inform” out of the four

Trippiers team won La Liga, James team won the Champions League and Walker won the Premier League, all had decent form at the back end of the season. I guess TAA a bit unlucky to be playing for the lesser team that won nothing than the other 3 guys ?????

 

[pokerjoke]

Did you actually watch Liverpool’s last 10 games?
TAA was MOM for several of them.

Not hard in a crap team and only 2 players in goodish form
The one season wonder and Robertson all the others were well off form.

 

[Orikoru]

I know it's funny to hammer Phil and all, but I don't think you go 100% on who's in the best form when it's subjective anyway. If they're all on form, which apparently they are, I think Trent is the biggest attacking threat of all four and that's why he's there. He also takes a quality set piece which is severely lacking in the rest of the squad.

Anyway, I find the form argument a little bit questionable with Walker. My impression of this season was that he largely lost his starting berth to Cancelo. Obviously he got games because of rotation, but I feel that Cancelo was actually preferred more often, and rightly so as he was the better player. If Southgate wasn't planning the back three with Walker in it, I'm not sure Walker would be in the squad.

 

[pokerjoke]

I know it's funny to hammer Phil and all, but I don't think you go 100% on who's in the best form when it's subjective anyway. If they're all on form, which apparently they are, I think Trent is the biggest attacking threat of all four and that's why he's there. He also takes a quality set piece which is severely lacking in the rest of the squad.

Anyway, I find the form argument a little bit questionable with Walker. My impression of this season was that he largely lost his starting berth to Cancelo. Obviously he got games because of rotation, but I feel that Cancelo was actually preferred more often, and rightly so as he was the better player. If Southgate wasn't planning the back three with Walker in it, I'm not sure Walker would be in the squad.

And if he was planning a back 4 I don’t think TAA would have been in the squad.
I like TAA going forward but he’s a shocking right back.
My prediction would be if he does play him anywhere it will be against the weaker teams or maybe a bit part player as sub.

 

[Orikoru]

And if he was planning a back 4 I don’t think TAA would have been in the squad.
I like TAA going forward but he’s a shocking right back.
My prediction would be if he does play him anywhere it will be against the weaker teams or maybe a bit part player as sub.

But he's only played exclusively as a right back for Liverpool? Our group games are against Croatia, Scotland and Czech Rep. The latter two you would want your most attacking presence out wide, and even Croatia are not the team they were in my opinion.

We could dig down into the stats but I'm not sure James or Trippier are wildly better defensively than Trent anyway. The only really good defensive right back out there is Wan-Bissaka and he has missed out.

 

[fundy]

But he's only played exclusively as a right back for Liverpool? Our group games are against Croatia, Scotland and Czech Rep. The latter two you would want your most attacking presence out wide, and even Croatia are not the team they were in my opinion.

We could dig down into the stats but I'm not sure James or Trippier are wildly better defensively than Trent anyway. The only really good defensive right back out there is Wan-Bissaka and he has missed out.

Not sure how much Spanish football you watch but Trippier is much improved defensively, admittedly in a very well organised side

 

[Deleted member 15344]

But he's only played exclusively as a right back for Liverpool? Our group games are against Croatia, Scotland and Czech Rep. The latter two you would want your most attacking presence out wide, and even Croatia are not the team they were in my opinion.

We could dig down into the stats but I'm not sure James or Trippier are wildly better defensively than Trent anyway. The only really good defensive right back out there is Wan-Bissaka and he has missed out.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1397485182467334144

It’s fallacy that TAA can’t defend

Tackle success:
TAA 57.9%
KW 54.3%
KT 43.9%
RJ 38.8%

Dribbled past p/90:
TAA 0.71
RW 0.74
RJ 1.14
KT 1.16

Ball recoveries p/90:
TAA 9.97
KT 8.87
KW 8.66
RJ 8.18

Only AWB I believe has better defensive stats than TAA.

 

[fundy]

Problem with those specific stats is they dont take into account the amount of times TAA is caught up field or the other side of the ball and the other side attack into the space behind

Stats will be very different depending on how the side plays

 

[Orikoru]

Couldn't help myself...



Trippier is the best defensively, perhaps he'll get the nod in the latter stages - but still not a million miles ahead of Trent is he?

Walker looks poor on the numbers, but in less games as I said, plus I do think he'll only play as the third CB if he plays. This also suggests James shouldn't be playing many games. I would say Trent against the minnows, maybe Trippier against actual good teams later on.

 

[pokerjoke]

But he's only played exclusively as a right back for Liverpool? Our group games are against Croatia, Scotland and Czech Rep. The latter two you would want your most attacking presence out wide, and even Croatia are not the team they were in my opinion.

We could dig down into the stats but I'm not sure James or Trippier are wildly better defensively than Trent anyway. The only really good defensive right back out there is Wan-Bissaka and he has missed out.

Yes surprised WBS missed out that’s why I think he will play a 3
TAA plays RB for Liverpool but imo and it’s only an opinion he can’t defend and he gets too far forward and then teams attack and he’s caught upfield,that why I don’t think he will play much he will leave us exposed.
Haven’t seen Trippier play at all this year,however James although he can chuck in an error will be more disciplined.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Problem with those specific stats is they dont take into account the amount of times TAA is caught up field or the other side of the ball and the other side attack into the space behind

Stats will be very different depending on how the side plays

The way TAA plays within the team gives him the license to go high - that allows teams to get behind him , when we had VVD and Gomez covering then it was risk that was ok as both had the pace cover. When both got injured TAA still played the high line and didn’t have the cover so he was being caught out by the tactics employed by the manager as opposed to his ability to defend. The latter games when Fabinho was back to the middle that allowed the cover more .

It will come down to how Southgate wants to play it I guess

TAA is the only right back I have seen in the past couple of years that has dominated a match and destroyed teams

 

[fundy]

Spot on that it will come down to how Southgate wants to play it, pretty sure he will want his right back to be solid defensively first and foremost and not looking for one to dominate a match and destroy the oppo Be surprised if Trippier isnt his first choice and Walker be the RCB inside him (funnily enough having Walker as the RCB is exactly what TAA would need to play his normal style too)

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Spot on that it will come down to how Southgate wants to play it, pretty sure he will want his right back to be solid defensively first and foremost and not looking for one to dominate a match and destroy the oppo Be surprised if Trippier isnt his first choice and Walker be the RCB inside him (funnily enough having Walker as the RCB is exactly what TAA would need to play his normal style too)

Which is why I’m amazed he hasn’t gone for AWB he is the best defensive right back - Walker covers his issues with pace , same with James at times. It’s going to be Walker and Trippier