The Footie Thread

[Swango1980]

Question of the day (I'm just intrigued to get people's opinions, not here to start anything or get all defensive if you don't agree )

Lad in my office (18 YO, united fan, thinks Antony is actually a good footballer), is convinced that NONE of Forest's Starting Squad gets into the United Squad....so I'm interested to hear opinions of others (united fans and otherwise)

Personally, I'd say our CB's would deserve a shout (Milenkovic in particular) as would CHO and Chris Wood (in current form).

Midfield is tricky as we have some decent quality, but although he's the most punchable bloke going, Bruno is very talented...As are the likes of Mainoo etc but Gibbs White OR Anderson would be in the conversation in Midfield for me (more so Anderson at this point as he's been absolutely unreal since the start of the season)

I don't really watch Forest enough to know an awful lot about their players. Could have asked the same question in 1993 and I wouldn't have known enough to say what Forest player could get in United's team, and then we signed Roy Keane.

But, it is our defenders who are arguably Man Utd's best players so far this season. I wouldn't want to risk swapping De Ligt, Martinez or Yoro (who has only just started to play after injury). Harry Maguire also puts in professional performances, and did well again yesterday (how would he do in a Forest short, I suspect he'd be good?).

Scoring goals is our biggest issue, and giving the ball away cheaply. We need a threat on the left side, and a left-sided defender (as we can rule out Shaw at this point), so I would happily look to see what Forest have in those positions. Elanga has looked decent at Forest, but he had his chance at United and had good moments, but was also very inconsistent and never really had the chance to establish himself.

 

[PaulMdj]

Is this still the case, given the dumpster fire it's become over the last 10 years? Not saying they'd come to Forest or Everton instead, but I don't think United are the draw they once were (but they will be again sooner rather than later, I imagine)

Genuinely think most players would see it that way, possibly bigger wages/profile etc, especially overseas players.

 

[Orikoru]

Question of the day (I'm just intrigued to get people's opinions, not here to start anything or get all defensive if you don't agree )

Lad in my office (18 YO, united fan, thinks Antony is actually a good footballer), is convinced that NONE of Forest's Starting Squad gets into the United Squad....so I'm interested to hear opinions of others (united fans and otherwise)

Personally, I'd say our CB's would deserve a shout (Milenkovic in particular) as would CHO and Chris Wood (in current form).

Midfield is tricky as we have some decent quality, but although he's the most punchable bloke going, Bruno is very talented...As are the likes of Mainoo etc but Gibbs White OR Anderson would be in the conversation in Midfield for me (more so Anderson at this point as he's been absolutely unreal since the start of the season)

I don't really watch any football so take my views with a massive pinch of salt, but anyway..

Chris Wood does on current season only, but not on any previous season of his career. I'm still wondering what's going on with him - we all knew he was a rubbish footballer, but suddenly..?

Your goalie has 100% been better than Onana hasn't he?? So that's a clear one already. Gibbs-White has a chance, although maybe too similar position to Bruno F who is one of the few who still seems to play alright for MU. Surely both CBs have a good chance of displacing the United ones.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Is this still the case, given the dumpster fire it's become over the last 10 years? Not saying they'd come to Forest or Everton instead, but I don't think United are the draw they once were (but they will be again sooner rather than later, I imagine)

I guess the wages United off would be key

But United are still a draw but they are at the stage we were at during the 90’s to around 2014 - they will still attract top players unless another top club is looking for them

 

[RichA]

Is this still the case, given the dumpster fire it's become over the last 10 years? Not saying they'd come to Forest or Everton instead, but I don't think United are the draw they once were (but they will be again sooner rather than later, I imagine)

I think for us it's a number of aligning stars that wouldn't translate to those players necessarily shining in other teams...
A handful of talented players who've been overlooked or have failed at other clubs and have a lot to prove; a gifted manager; a less scary Aug-Dec fixture list than previous years; a little bit more luck than previous years; the confidence that comes with winning a few games.

I live in hope that the owner doesn't see £signs next to the likes of Murillo, Anderson, Milenkovic and MGW and that they see a future playing 90 minutes per match for Forest, rather than warming the bench in the Champions League followed by years on loan around Europe.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

I think for us it's a number of aligning stars that wouldn't translate to those players necessarily shining in other teams...
A handful of talented players who've been overlooked or have failed at other clubs and have a lot to prove; a gifted manager; a less scary Aug-Dec fixture list than previous years; a little bit more luck than previous years; the confidence that comes with winning a few games.

I live in hope that the owner doesn't see £signs next to the likes of Murillo, Anderson, Milenkovic and MGW and that they see a future playing 90 minutes per match for Forest, rather than warming the bench in the Champions League followed by years on loan around Europe.

It will be tough to hold off any bidders for someone like Murillo - an outstanding CB and only 22

Can see all the big clubs looking at him and throwing money down

Would certainly be more than happy to take him to replace and learn from VVD

 

[Aztecs27]

I think for us it's a number of aligning stars that wouldn't translate to those players necessarily shining in other teams...
A handful of talented players who've been overlooked or have failed at other clubs and have a lot to prove; a gifted manager; a less scary Aug-Dec fixture list than previous years; a little bit more luck than previous years; the confidence that comes with winning a few games.

I live in hope that the owner doesn't see £signs next to the likes of Murillo, Anderson, Milenkovic and MGW and that they see a future playing 90 minutes per match for Forest, rather than warming the bench in the Champions League followed by years on loan around Europe.

I think Anderson and Milenkovic will be around for a long time.

Murillo will be gone in the summer if the price is right (60m+ I would guess) but we hold all the cards and don't *need* to sell him straight away - but a tidy return is a tidy return and Morato slotted in just fine when he went off on Saturday (and is still fairly dynamic on the ball)....he's also only 23, despite looking older than Felipe - so the future is bright there.

Gibbs-White is arguably the best/most creative player we've had since forever, but I suspect England caps and continued exposure will see him end up at one of the big clubs for a tidy fee. The sad reality is, we can't afford to keep everyone, and will have to sell to stay within whatever the latest made up version of PSR is, but I'm confident our recruitment team is producing hit after hit.

Honestly, Anderson and Milenkovic are two of the biggest bargains in living memory. We've had Newcastle's pants right down for Anderson and why Fiorentina let Mlenkovic go for less than £15m is beyond me. Future club captain material.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

I think Anderson and Milenkovic will be around for a long time.

Murillo will be gone in the summer if the price is right (60m+ I would guess) but we hold all the cards and don't *need* to sell him straight away - but a tidy return is a tidy return and Morato slotted in just fine when he went off on Saturday (and is still fairly dynamic on the ball)....he's also only 23, despite looking older than Felipe - so the future is bright there.

Gibbs-White is arguably the best/most creative player we've had since forever, but I suspect England caps and continued exposure will see him end up at one of the big clubs for a tidy fee. The sad reality is, we can't afford to keep everyone, and will have to sell to stay within whatever the latest made up version of PSR is, but I'm confident our recruitment team is producing hit after hit.

Honestly, Anderson and Milenkovic are two of the biggest bargains in living memory. We've had Newcastle's pants right down for Anderson and why Fiorentina let Mlenkovic go for less than £15m is beyond me. Future club captain material.

Milenkovic does look very good

At 27 I guess a club would need to get him now to make any sort of big fee worth while

Getting Anderson because of the situation at Newcastle was superb - if he could add a few goals to his game then he will be the England team

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Honestly, Anderson and Milenkovic are two of the biggest bargains in living memory. We've had Newcastle's pants right down for Anderson and why Fiorentina let Mlenkovic go for less than £15m is beyond me. Future club captain material.

Newcastle moved on Anderson and Minteh to Brighton when they wanted to keep both. It was purely a FFP move, they needed to do it, they didn't want to. This will be the same for other clubs in that middle bracket over the coming years, moving on players they wanted to develop purely to satisfy the system. Newcastle didn't need the money, they have bucket loads, it is the system that is messing things up.

 

[PJ87]

Amorim started with a front three of Mount, Hojlund and Amad. And Amad played on the right throughout.

Correct me if I'm wrong but he won the pen and scored from the left?

 

[Swango1980]

Correct me if I'm wrong but he won the pen and scored from the left?

He was on the right side of the three on both occasions. But, because the other two where further over on the left, he was physically more central on the pitch when he made those runs

 

[PJ87]

He was on the right side of the three on both occasions. But, because the other two where further over on the left, he was physically more central on the pitch when he made those runs

.looked like he swapped when Antony came on tbh

 

[Swango1980]

.looked like he swapped when Antony came on tbh

Antony came on for Mazraoui, and just was a direct replacement for him who was also on the right.

 

[AmandaJR]

Oh gawd not the TAA love-in again. Even die-hard Liverpool fans admit he is by no means a good defender. It's really ok to admit that Phil - I'm sure he doesn't read your posts and probably wouldn't be bothered if he did.

We all support our teams but just try to be ever so slightly objective where he's concerned. Go on. It's Christmas after all

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Oh gawd not the TAA love-in again. Even die-hard Liverpool fans admit he is by no means a good defender. It's really ok to admit that Phil - I'm sure he doesn't read your posts and probably wouldn't be bothered if he did.

We all support our teams but just try to be ever so slightly objective where he's concerned. Go on. It's Christmas after all

TAA is not a great defender , he isn’t a poor defender , he isn’t the best defender in the league but he is far from the worst

I know for some it’s hard to see there is somewhere in the middle but a player doesn’t play close to 300 games at the highest level as a right back if he is poor

He is a different type of right back to say Walker

All I know is he is quality and his qualities have helped us win the big comps through the years - he is a player that the likes of Real Madrid want to get because of the quality he brings

There was no love in as such just someone bringing him up because a Man Utd player was talked about - just a bit of whataboutary

 

[PaulMdj]

I think Anderson and Milenkovic will be around for a long time.

Murillo will be gone in the summer if the price is right (60m+ I would guess) but we hold all the cards and don't *need* to sell him straight away - but a tidy return is a tidy return and Morato slotted in just fine when he went off on Saturday (and is still fairly dynamic on the ball)....he's also only 23, despite looking older than Felipe - so the future is bright there.

Gibbs-White is arguably the best/most creative player we've had since forever, but I suspect England caps and continued exposure will see him end up at one of the big clubs for a tidy fee. The sad reality is, we can't afford to keep everyone, and will have to sell to stay within whatever the latest made up version of PSR is, but I'm confident our recruitment team is producing hit after hit.

Honestly, Anderson and Milenkovic are two of the biggest bargains in living memory. We've had Newcastle's pants right down for Anderson and why Fiorentina let Mlenkovic go for less than £15m is beyond me. Future club captain material.

Your biggest issue could be release clauses, It’s could you don’t need to sell, but if your form dipped after Christmas and you ended bottom half, other Clubs could try and turn their heads.

Top half and maybe even European football next season could see yous in a great position.

 

[PaulMdj]

Oh gawd not the TAA love-in again. Even die-hard Liverpool fans admit he is by no means a good defender. It's really ok to admit that Phil - I'm sure he doesn't read your posts and probably wouldn't be bothered if he did.

We all support our teams but just try to be ever so slightly objective where he's concerned. Go on. It's Christmas after all

Phil only reacted to another poster mentioning TAA first, he knew exactly what buttons to push to get the response and deflect from man utd.

 

[Billysboots]

Correct me if I'm wrong but he won the pen and scored from the left?

Rewind the highlights and see where he started his run for the goal.

 

[Swango1980]

Phil only reacted to another poster mentioning TAA first, he knew exactly what buttons to push to get the response and deflect from man utd.

Just to set the record straight on that incorrect interpretation, the subject of the full discussion were players like Ugarte, De Ligt and Mazaroui (all play for Man Utd), so there was clearly no deflection from Man Utd. TAA was simply used to highlight how Phil (Arthur) reacts when people judge him (after many seasons), and how he somehow expects a different reaction from other fans when he starts to cast judgement on their players.

I actually did not want him to present his case for TAA once again, as we've heard it all before, and did not request it. I didn't even present my case as to why he is a poor defender, as it wasn't the subject of the discussion. But, you are correct that there was a button that was pushed (however unintentionally), and he presented his case regardless.

 

[clubchamp98]

Correct me if I'm wrong but he won the pen and scored from the left?

He also bottled the tackle with KDB when City scored