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Think having Mount there you can afford to let Fernandes go , and maybe it’s worth letting Garnacho go as well as don’t think his end product is good enough

I think Mount has a real chance under this manager to reignite his career. He’s the one player who I am genuinely excited about because Amorim is a fresh start for him, and we all know how good Mount has the potential to be.
 

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I think Mount has a real chance under this manager to reignite his career. He’s the one player who I am genuinely excited about because Amorim is a fresh start for him, and we all know how good Mount has the potential to be.

Klopp was apparently a big fan of Mount especially his ability to press and energy levels but they went with Szoboszlai

Putting Mount instead of Fernandes - you won’t lose much going forward but you will gain a lot more in the press
 

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Klopp was apparently a big fan of Mount especially his ability to press and energy levels but they went with Szoboszlai

Putting Mount instead of Fernandes - you won’t lose much going forward but you will gain a lot more in the press

I think he’s more likely to start ahead of Rashford/Garnacho. They both frustrate the living daylights out of me.
 

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I think Mount has a real chance under this manager to reignite his career. He’s the one player who I am genuinely excited about because Amorim is a fresh start for him, and we all know how good Mount has the potential to be.

If you're building a side around someone like Mount I think you need to lower expectations! Mount has never been anything other than a decent systems midfielder that relies on workrate over quality, so others can shine. This is also a player that's done nothing for nearly three years.
 

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I think Mount has a real chance under this manager to reignite his career. He’s the one player who I am genuinely excited about because Amorim is a fresh start for him, and we all know how good Mount has the potential to be.
Mount needs to sort his fitness, only he can do that.
 

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If you're building a side around someone like Mount I think you need to lower expectations! Mount has never been anything other than a decent systems midfielder that relies on workrate over quality, so others can shine. This is also a player that's done nothing for nearly three years.

When fit he was outstanding at Chelsea and virtually the first name on the England team sheet. I think people forget just how effective he can be, and he is one of the players at United who is most likely to benefit from having Amorim there.

He’s still only 25. I’m not suggesting building a team round him - unless you can direct me to where I said that - but if he can stay fit he can absolutely help improve upon what United currently have.
 

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When fit he was outstanding at Chelsea and virtually the first name on the England team sheet. I think people forget just how effective he can be, and he is one of the players at United who is most likely to benefit from having Amorim there.

He’s still only 25. I’m not suggesting building a team round him - unless you can direct me to where I said that - but if he can stay fit he can absolutely help improve upon what United currently have.

He was a key player for Southgate but I'm not sure that really means anything as Kalvin Philips was also one of the first names on the teamsheet! Chelsea fans weren't sad to see him go either.

I actually think Mainoo is better than Mount as an all round midfielder and has been wasted in a deeper role. You didn't say a team would be built around him to be fair, I just assumed in that central pressing role, it's a key part of the side and one of the focal points you'd build a side around. If he stays fit and more firepower is added he'll do a lot better.
 

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When fit he was outstanding at Chelsea and virtually the first name on the England team sheet. I think people forget just how effective he can be, and he is one of the players at United who is most likely to benefit from having Amorim there.

He’s still only 25. I’m not suggesting building a team round him - unless you can direct me to where I said that - but if he can stay fit he can absolutely help improve upon what United currently have.
I think Mason Mount is an outstanding player and people don't give him enough credit.
These last few years he's been plagued by injuries and I'm excited to see him come back under Amorim. 👍
 

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Amorim needs time. Kneejerk reactions to both good and bad results wont help him.
I love comments like this, it's just not a reasonable comment for the hardcore lunatics that support football clubs. Take O'Neil at Wolves, 2 games ago they are chanting you don't know what you are doing, 2 games later he is the best thing since sliced bread.

The reality is Amoreen needs to make an immediate improvement and progress, he does not have 6 months of being as bad and 3 or 4 poor results on the trot and he will be getting stick the same as any other manager.
 

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I love comments like this, it's just not a reasonable comment for the hardcore lunatics that support football clubs. Take O'Neil at Wolves, 2 games ago they are chanting you don't know what you are doing, 2 games later he is the best thing since sliced bread.

The reality is Amoreen needs to make an immediate improvement and progress, he does not have 6 months of being as bad and 3 or 4 poor results on the trot and he will be getting stick the same as any other manager.
Was interested to see what he said after the match. He implied that he would be heavily rotating players from match to match, as playing games is pretty much the key way for them to train the way he wants to play. Will be interested to see how extreme he goes with that. Will he drop Bruno for a large number of games to allow other players to play that position? Will he drop other players that you'd think would generally be a starter, for a lot of games?

Sounds like he is prepared to almost rip everything up, expose as many players as possible by playing under the pressure of an actual game, and try and learn very quickly what players look to be up for the task.

Like many games I watch, when I see Man Utd's opponents have players like Delap, who seem really strong, motivated and positive in going into battle, it is a world apart from the likes of Rashford, Bruno, Garnacho. Those players rely on pace and the odd bit of quality (such as a pass or a shot) to make a difference in the game, but they are absolutely useless at getting stuck in. They are a light touch when it comes to putting opponents under pressure when out of possession, and look spooked and agitated when opponents hassle them when in possession. Utd's defence face so many attacks because the attackers in front of them can't be bothered hassling the opponents when they've possession in their half, thus allowing them to play it forward. Utd's forwards give the ball away so often when under pressure, thus giving the opponents more chances to build their own attacks. So, I suspect Amorim will be looking for the players who have the character to enjoy such competitive games, and I'm not sure he'll find a lot. And, I'm not sure a coach can change a player's mentality over the long term.
 

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I love comments like this, it's just not a reasonable comment for the hardcore lunatics that support football clubs. Take O'Neil at Wolves, 2 games ago they are chanting you don't know what you are doing, 2 games later he is the best thing since sliced bread.

The reality is Amoreen needs to make an immediate improvement and progress, he does not have 6 months of being as bad and 3 or 4 poor results on the trot and he will be getting stick the same as any other manager.

Think the bare minimum he needs to get is European footbal via the Top 6

But will need to get a run of results going
 

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Not sure I get that statement?

If that is the bare minimum, does that mean he will be sacked if he finishes 7th?

It’s the bare minimum to at the very lest reduce a lot of the pressure

That’s 6 months away and a lot needs to change by then

At the very least a style of play

It’s a massive tough job and he hasn’t got much to work with but that’s what comes with taking these jobs
 

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It’s the bare minimum to at the very lest reduce a lot of the pressure

That’s 6 months away and a lot needs to change by then

At the very least a style of play

It’s a massive tough job and he hasn’t got much to work with but that’s what comes with taking these jobs
To me, that could be closer to the truth of being the bare minimum. Rather than focusing on league position, seeing if there is a way the team plays that looks like it could make them better going forward into the future. Or, at least having a really clear idea who needs to be gotten rid of by the end of the season, who needs to come in, and then hopefully being able to build the squad again. A large responsibility in this area will be on the board, and doing well in the transfer market. They had their first taste of it last summer, and in fairness I liked the signings of Yoro, Ugarte, de Ligt and Mazraoui. However, I'm wondering if Zirkzee was their Fellaini moment, I hope not.
 

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To me, that could be closer to the truth of being the bare minimum. Rather than focusing on league position, seeing if there is a way the team plays that looks like it could make them better going forward into the future. Or, at least having a really clear idea who needs to be gotten rid of by the end of the season, who needs to come in, and then hopefully being able to build the squad again. A large responsibility in this area will be on the board, and doing well in the transfer market. They had their first taste of it last summer, and in fairness I liked the signings of Yoro, Ugarte, de Ligt and Mazraoui. However, I'm wondering if Zirkzee was their Fellaini moment, I hope not.

Honestly with how open the league is at the moment I'd be surprised if you didn't finish top 7. A few good results in a row and you're up there.

Squad is good enough for top 6
 
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