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Are you guilty of trying to shoehorn players in on reputation, not position? Not sure Bellingham is a defensive midfielder or would be inclined to sit back and play the ball. He would not offer much protection to the back 4
He's more than capable of playing there, it's where he first played when he broke through. We only have this perception of him being an attacker because he started playing there for Madrid when they had no other serviceable strikers. His would be a box-to-box role with Rice sitting back. According to WhoScored he's been playing left side of a midfield four or three for Madrid this season - no longer at number 10.
 

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Yeah. Someone needs to make him understand that that is his role. He's not the reincarnation of Stevie G. We don't have anyone else who can do it.

Its not his role at club level now though, he's an 8 for Arsenal, Partay sits and holds.
 

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Thing is though, before the game all the right “buzz” words were being spoken and the thought of Bellingham, Foden, Palmer, Saka and Gordon attacking any defensive line was frightening, but turned out crap.

I still don’t rate Gordon defensively or over 90 minutes.

Palmer needs to toughen up, even for Chelsea when his team mates were having handbags with the Forest players, he didn’t back them up, he sat down and watched! He needs a hard side, him, Foden, Saka & Gordon.
Baffling take - I'd have thought not getting involved in a 20-man brawl would be a positive thing.
 

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Its not his role at club level now though, he's an 8 for Arsenal, Partay sits and holds.
We need to get out of this mentality that players can only do one thing. 😄 When I was growing up a midfielder was a midfielder. They did the job they needed to do, whether that was defending, attacking or both. Rice has grown up playing defensive midfield, and it's his best position despite what he himself seems to think. If we're not playing him as the holding player, then he shouldn't be in the team at all, since he would lose his place to someone who IS playing as the holding player.
 

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I didn't see the game, Nations League :sleep: , but no Watkins or Solanke? :oops:. You need a focal point, you just do. We badly need a plan B to cover Kane when he is injured or off form, hello Euro's, and that was the chance to give one of the other guys a go. Instead Carsley goes all Fantasy League Manager and has a mare. Hopefully he doesn't do the same for the next game.
 

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Baffling take - I'd have thought not getting involved in a 20-man brawl would be a positive thing.
Or he wasn’t backing up his mates!
If you were on a night out with friends and your friends got in a fight, would you back them up or run away?
 

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Or he wasn’t backing up his mates!
If you were on a night out with friends and your friends got in a fight, would you back them up or run away?
I would try and drag them out of harm's way, I wouldn't go steaming in with my fists. That's not the same as what happens on a football pitch either. Every extra person that gets involved makes it worse. Every individual has the option to walk away.

Sorry, just a horrific take. I was praising him for not getting involved, it shows he's just focused on playing football.
 

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I would try and drag them out of harm's way, I wouldn't go steaming in with my fists. That's not the same as what happens on a football pitch either. Every extra person that gets involved makes it worse. Every individual has the option to walk away.

Sorry, just a horrific take. I was praising him for not getting involved, it shows he's just focused on playing football.
Who said he should go in steaming or throwing punch’s?
It’s backing up your team mates, even if you’re pulling them away!

Sat on his harris, wasn’t being focussed on football.
 

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Who said he should go in steaming or throwing punch’s?
It’s backing up your team mates, even if you’re pulling them away!

Sat on his harris, wasn’t being focussed on football.
Agree to disagree. I've been on football pitches where handbags has broken out and I reacted exactly the same as him. Not getting involved as I think it's pathetic.
 

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Agree to disagree. I've been on football pitches where handbags has broken out and I reacted exactly the same as him. Not getting involved as I think it's pathetic.
Or spineless, look how easy they got past him for the first goal.

I’m not advocating violence or saying he should throw punches, I’m saying him and a few others need to toughen up on the pitch, they are too easily knocked off the ball and lack effort when tacklng.

Superb footballers, which like last night showed they need to be able to dig deep and do the ugly stuff.
 

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Or spineless, look how easy they got past him for the first goal.

I’m not advocating violence or saying he should throw punches, I’m saying him and a few others need to toughen up on the pitch, they are too easily knocked off the ball and lack effort when tacklng.

Superb footballers, which like last night showed they need to be able to dig deep and do the ugly stuff.
That's all fine, I just hated your take on him not getting involved in the brawl. :LOL:

Perhaps that's the reason Pep let him go? Gifted player but not working hard enough? At Chelsea they just carry him since it's by far their most effective player.
 

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Palmer was an interesting one last night

He seemed to be the person who wanted to get on the ball more than anyone else but wasn’t the greatest on the ball , a lot of that was down to the lack of runners in space , same issue TAA had , if there is no movement then it’s hard to pick a pass at times

He certainly should be the one in the role right now , he has earned that right
 

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I mean it's just not the same thing at all is it? On a Premier League football pitch nobody is in any danger, they just nuzzle foreheads and tickle each other's faces. You couldn't call it a 'fight' as nobody throws a punch.
You really are taking it extremes! At international level there are teams (Italy is a prime example) that will try and bully teams and employ dirty tactics, that is when you need all your players to be able to respond.

If teams see you are, metaphorically, not up for the fight they will run all over you.
 

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You really are taking it extremes! At international level there are teams (Italy is a prime example) that will try and bully teams and employ dirty tactics, that is when you need all your players to be able to respond.

If teams see you are, metaphorically, not up for the fight they will run all over you.
I'd argue Spain have the crown in Europe
 

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You really are taking it extremes! At international level there are teams (Italy is a prime example) that will try and bully teams and employ dirty tactics, that is when you need all your players to be able to respond.

If teams see you are, metaphorically, not up for the fight they will run all over you.
You’re the one talking about fights on nights out 🤷‍♂️
 

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That's all fine, I just hated your take on him not getting involved in the brawl. :LOL:

Perhaps that's the reason Pep let him go? Gifted player but not working hard enough? At Chelsea they just carry him since it's by far their most effective player.

I personally think he's better than foden.

Foden can do it at city.. Palmer has done it in an average Chelsea team he also did well at the euros where as foden was lacking. People blamed Gareth however it seems foden needs the best around him to play well Where as Palmer can do it himself

Much like Gerrard and lampard. Lampard did it in an outstanding Chelsea team yet Gerrard performed in an average Liverpool team. Always thought Gerrard was the better player but people got blinded by the numbers without looking at the teams their in
 
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