The Footie Thread

[PaulMdj]

After the last game some of us summed up the issues we felt existed and the weakness in certain players and the managaers ability to deliver (and we got some stick from the usual gang on here who generally seem to get it wrong on a regular basis ) and he has just confirmed that to all of us with this latest abject performance.

It's embarrasing that a forum member can say GS will screw around with subs on 67 minutes, well he brought the 3 on at 65, someone said he would bring on Gallagher when we needed more and different, and he did. The bloke is so predictable and weak it's a joke.

The fact 959% of the country can see what is wrong and he cannot is just madness, and to be fair if can see it but can't at least try and fix it, he really is the wrong man for the job.

I think 4 years ago with the squad he had he was at his peak based on the level of players we had, now the players have continued to evolve and get much better but GS is still the same old GS and he is not good enough for the level of players we have, they have out grown him in ability and unfortunately we are going to suffer in this tournament and will need to wait for the next one before we get another chance.

Finally you get it.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

What’s he ever done? Did well at Brighton we are told, 3 seasons finishing 16th, 17th & 9th, got the Chelsea job, and flopped.

Please tell me what in that shows he’s ready for England, apart from being English?

I'm not judging him on Chelsea, the club was barking when he was there and he never had a chance.

Brighton, he took a team on a low budget, continuously losing it's best players and got them playing progressive, attractive football. He got them promoted, kept them up, comfortably, and moved them up the league.

Not many English managers have actually won anything, you have to judge them by what you see rather than pure stats, not that I'm saying you stated that as a point.

If we go with another English manager then it's him or Howe and I can't see why Howe would leave Newcastle right now.

 

[Reemul]

Finally you get it.

We can still sack him now you know, parachute a decent manager out there and win it, imagine that. Tanzania sacked their manager in Afcon this year

 

[nickjdavis]

Yet he’s been manager for 8 years snd took us to every Major Tournament during that time.

It’s time for him to leave, but please! Gordon, Palmer and others have had 1 good season and he’s brought them straight in to the International set up, no other England Manager has brought young players through so quickly.

Whats the point of bringing them through if he is too conservative to bloody play them in a match that has consequence? Southgate is simply too scared of sticking his neck out and taking a risk.

 

[BrianM]

How good does this Spanish side look by the way.
That Nico Williams won’t be at Bilbao long.

 

[ColchesterFC]

Said after the final friendly that Southgate should be replaced prior to the Euros starting. I would support him going mid tournament, he is a completely inept manager and I would be surprised if he ever gets another management gig after this tournament.

The in game management, the negativity, and the team selections/subs are all so poor. Bowen over Palmer twice is so disrespectful it’s unreal.

Guehi a shining light, what a bloke.

1st bold - Southgate is a lower end PL/top end Championship level manager but no better than that. That's his maximum level and I'd be amazed if any club with ambitions to be more than that employed him. He's a Middlesboro, Norwich, Hull, Southampton type manager.

2nd bold - he's been one of our better players but even he made a couple of basic errors this evening (yes, he did well to recover from them).

 

[Swango1980]

Well it is, but with 26 players in the squad that means that there are 26 factorial possible combinations of players that could make up the "best team". So that's 26 x 25 x 24 x 23 x 22 etc, which is 403291461126605635584000000 different combinations of players. As we've got a maximum of 5 more games in this tournament I'm not confident that Southgate will find the answer in that time.

At least after picking the same team for the first two games he's only got another 403291461126605635583999999 combinations to try.

How many of these combinations have 3 goalkeepers in the starting 11, zero defenders, etc.

 

[ColchesterFC]

How many of these combinations have 3 goalkeepers in the starting 11, zero defenders, etc.

With Southgate as manager I'd be more inclined to think that he'd play three goalkeepers and eight defenders.

 

[PJ87]

Said after the final friendly that Southgate should be replaced prior to the Euros starting. I would support him going mid tournament, he is a completely inept manager and I would be surprised if he ever gets another management gig after this tournament.

The in game management, the negativity, and the team selections/subs are all so poor. Bowen over Palmer twice is so disrespectful it’s unreal.

Guehi a shining light, what a bloke.

Your right. A player with his numbers and ability on the ball should be starting . Such a talented player is Bowen. Also because he isn't from the big boys he will run himself into the ground.

 

[Pin-seeker]

Whats the point of bringing them through if he is too conservative to bloody play them in a match that has consequence? Southgate is simply too scared of sticking his neck out and taking a risk.

Agreed.
Seems like he’s happy just sticking with “safe” & seeing how far it gets us.
And how can someone be so dull & boring?

 

[PaulMdj]

I'm not judging him on Chelsea, the club was barking when he was there and he never had a chance.

Brighton, he took a team on a low budget, continuously losing it's best players and got them playing progressive, attractive football. He got them promoted, kept them up, comfortably, and moved them up the league.

Not many English managers have actually won anything, you have to judge them by what you see rather than pure stats, not that I'm saying you stated that as a point.

If we go with another English manager then it's him or Howe and I can't see why Howe would leave Newcastle right now.

And there you go, he took over Brighton when they were a PL Club, never got them promoted, that was Chris Houghton, 3 seasons in charge, 1st season 15th, then 16th, ie backwards, then 9th.

Yes they played good football, but still not a decent record.

 

[Swango1980]

With Southgate as manager I'd be more inclined to think that he'd play three goalkeepers and eight defenders.

Ramsdale in midfield would be an improvement over TAA. Or even at right back

 

[PaulMdj]

We can still sack him now you know, parachute a decent manager out there and win it, imagine that. Tanzania sacked their manager in Afcon this year

That’s what our dreams are made of, but no way is that going to happen.

 

[PaulMdj]

Whats the point of bringing them through if he is too conservative to bloody play them in a match that has consequence? Southgate is simply too scared of sticking his neck out and taking a risk.

The point I was making was prior to this Comp he has stuck to his old guard for years, 99% of us (barring injuries) could of picked his starting XI.

 

[GB72]

Said after the final friendly that Southgate should be replaced prior to the Euros starting. I would support him going mid tournament, he is a completely inept manager and I would be surprised if he ever gets another management gig after this tournament.

The in game management, the negativity, and the team selections/subs are all so poor. Bowen over Palmer twice is so disrespectful it’s unreal.

Guehi a shining light, what a bloke.

He will get bumped upstairs at the FA. He is a company man

 

[ColchesterFC]

That’s what our dreams are made of, but no way is that going to happen.

I hear Klopp's not doing anything at the minute. Any chance we could get him in for the rest of the tournament on a short term contract?

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Ramsdale in midfield would be an improvement over TAA. Or even at right back

 

[Pin-seeker]

I hear Klopp's not doing anything at the minute. Any chance we could get him in for the rest of the tournament on a short term contract?

If you want to finish 5th or 3rd

 

[Billysboots]

I’ve just spent a lovely hour or so eating a fantastic meal overlooking the sea, and there were various nationalities sitting nearby, many speaking with those at adjacent tables about the football they had just watched in nearby bars.

I’ll say it as they appeared to see it. Sorry,
folks, but our near neighbours on the continent think the England football team is a joke.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

How good does this Spanish side look by the way.
That Nico Williams won’t be at Bilbao long.

Will be interesting to see if Williams is one of those Bilbao through and through players and just stays there - think these days a number of them do move on

His brother is very good but plays for Ghana