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[Deleted member 15344]

There have been question marks about De Gea for years , he was superb as a shot stopper and him and Cech were at the top of the tree but the GKs developed and the likes of Ederson and Allison arrived with both showing as well as great shot stoppers they were more than that especially with the ball at their feet.

would see a GK being a priority for them behind a forward and a CB

 

[PJ87]

You are nit picking, All footballers have bad form patches, even Messi and Ronaldo!! If you think he should move on then thats your opinion that you are entitled to have. He's still in the top 10 goal keepers in world football for my money.

is he though? he bearly in the top 5 keepers in the premier league atm..

Ederson, Allison, Pope, Ramsdale , Sa prob all above him atm in the league.. without including world cup winning martinez

then you just look at the other leagues,

Marc-Andre Ter Stegen​

Thibaut Courtois​

Yann Sommer​

Gianluigi Donnarumma​

Andre Onana​

Yassine Bounou​

Mike Maignan​

Jan Oblak​

How many of them is he actually still better than?

 

[HomecountiesJohn]

Top ten shot stoppers, probably. And my personal view is that shot stopping is still the priority for a goalkeeper. We clearly agree on that.

But he’s no longer a top ten all round goalkeeper. He can’t even make his national squad any more because of the way Spain want their football played.

International football is irrelevant, even Maguire gets picked for England

 

[Billysboots]

There have been question marks about De Gea for years , he was superb as a shot stopper and him and Cech were at the top of the tree but the GKs developed and the likes of Ederson and Allison arrived with both showing as well as great shot stoppers they were more than that especially with the ball at their feet.

would see a GK being a priority for them behind a forward and a CB

All of Ferguson’s successful sides were built with a solid spine - ‘keeper, CB’s, central midfield and strikers.

United’s first choice CB’s and central midfield are good enough now. A striker is an absolute priority, and my views on the goalkeeper have been done to death. But that spine is currently nowhere near strong enough.

 

[HomecountiesJohn]

is he though? he bearly in the top 5 keepers in the premier league atm..

Ederson, Allison, Pope, Ramsdale , Sa prob all above him atm in the league.. without including world cup winning martinez

then you just look at the other leagues,

Marc-Andre Ter Stegen​

Thibaut Courtois​

Yann Sommer​

Gianluigi Donnarumma​

Andre Onana​

Yassine Bounou​

Mike Maignan​

Jan Oblak​

How many of them is he actually still better than?

Pope and Ramsdale better than De Gea?? Stop it with the hyperbole.

How many on that list have you actually watched play football consistently?

 

[PJ87]

Pope and Ramsdale better than De Gea?? Stop it with the hyperbole.

current form they are easily better than him

pope leading the golden glove no? his defense is hardly top notch.. i mean tripper is class but the rest?

 

[HomecountiesJohn]

current form they are easily better than him

pope leading the golden glove no? his defense is hardly top notch.. i mean tripper is class but the rest?

Based on clean sheets?

Man u have conceded 37
Arsenal have conceded 31
Newcastle have conceded 45

 

[PJ87]

Based on clean sheets?

Man u have conceded 37
Arsenal have conceded 31
Newcastle have conceded 45

relook at the table.

newcastle have let in 24.

you read spurs.

they have let in the least goals in the league

 

[Neilds]

De Gea has 14 clean sheets, Pope 13 and Ramsdale 12.

Clean sheets are not always comparable with goals conceded

 

[PJ87]

De Gea has 14 clean sheets, Pope 13 and Ramsdale 12.

Clean sheets are not always comparable with goals conceded

indeed, pope has been overtaken recently however he has let in 24 goals. to DDG 37

 

[Lord Tyrion]

current form they are easily better than him

pope leading the golden glove no? his defense is hardly top notch.. i mean tripper is class but the rest?

With that Newcastle defence, the sum of the parts is greater than the individual. They work very well together, as do Bruno and Longstaff in shielding them. Personally, I would have Pope ahead of De Gea but I would not underestimate the whole defence. Pope isn't making 10 saves per game, looking good (in a way that say Pickford has to for us or other shot stoppers do in relegation threatened teams).

 

[HomecountiesJohn]

relook at the table.

newcastle have let in 24.

you read spurs.

they have let in the least goals in the league

Ah yes my bad i did, apologies.

 

[PJ87]

With that Newcastle defence, the sum of the parts is greater than the individual. They work very well together, as do Bruno and Longstaff in shielding them. Personally, I would have Pope ahead of De Gea but I would not underestimate the whole defence. Pope isn't making 10 saves per game, looking good (in a way that say Pickford has to for us or other shot stoppers do in relegation threatened teams).

yet pope did exactly that for burnley , and has proven even as a less busy keeper he looks class
same with ramsdale , he looked okay before going arsenal but has proven to be able to be the less busy keeper

many others cant handle that.. like fabianski .. needs to be busy

maybe thats why DDG used to look better.. uniteds defences havent been amazing for ages

 

[HomecountiesJohn]

indeed, pope has been overtaken recently however he has let in 24 goals. to DDG 37

Man u have conceded 4 v brentford 6 v City 7 v Liverpool aswell.

By your logic if DDG wins the golden glove he is a better keeper than those youmentioned?

 

[PJ87]

Man u have conceded 4 v brentford 6 v City 7 v Liverpool aswell.

By your logic if DDG wins the golden glove he is a better keeper than those youmentioned?

my logic is there are 10 goal keepers in the world better than him

you said my point was hyperbolt yet saying he is still top 10 in world is massively disrespecting the quality keepers on display atm

like I said he is bearly top 5 in the league anymore let alone top 10 in the world

 

[Swango1980]

I wonder if Maguire is trying to prove himself at the moment, ie not hiding, asking for the ball even in unwise situations etc. That could have added to it. I still think the greater fault is with the keeper though, he can see everything in front of him. Easy pickings for Sevilla, they did their homework well.

It is a very good point. All too often, I accuse some Utd players of hiding. I don't think our full backs, Lindelof or the likes of Sancho or McTomminay are quick to show or demand the ball. For example, where I give Antony credit is that he always seems to show and demand the ball. Makes himself available.

De Gea is not good on the ball, but all the more harder when the players closet to him don't really want the ball. I would give credit to Maguire, in the sense that he was at least brave enough to show for the ball and demand it. Felt like he gave de Gea a good option. Sadly he was misguided, wasn't aware of players around him, and they closed him down rapidly. They set the trap very well. So, it was a mistake by Maguire, but De Gea should not have risked the situation, as he should have seen the full picture. Not dis-similar to when he hung Eriksen out to dry at the start of the season against Brentford.

 

[Billysboots]

It is a very good point. All too often, I accuse some Utd players of hiding. I don't think our full backs, Lindelof or the likes of Sancho or McTomminay are quick to show or demand the ball. For example, where I give Antony credit is that he always seems to show and demand the ball. Makes himself available.

De Gea is not good on the ball, but all the more harder when the players closet to him don't really want the ball. I would give credit to Maguire, in the sense that he was at least brave enough to show for the ball and demand it. Felt like he gave de Gea a good option. Sadly he was misguided, wasn't aware of players around him, and they closed him down rapidly. They set the trap very well. So, it was a mistake by Maguire, but De Gea should not have risked the situation, as he should have seen the full picture. Not dis-similar to when he hung Eriksen out to dry at the start of the season against Brentford.

I said it a few days ago, but Maguire deserves enormous credit for the professional way in which he has approached his predicament this season. Always gives his all, never shirks his responsibilities either on or off the pitch.

I feel genuinely sorry for him and hope that he can find himself again. But he really needs to go elsewhere for a fresh start. He has too many scars now from his time in a United shirt.

 

[Swango1980]

For what? He's 32 yrs old, relatively young for a keeper. Man U signed Van der Sar when he was 36!!
Criticise his performances, judge his current form but at least apply common sense before writing him off. These days it seems players are not allowed bad games/poor form without being written off.

I am going to go on record to say that, in my opinion, Van der Sar was much better than De Gea. He much also much more consistent, and clearly provided a much more reassuring presence behind the defence. Other keepers that played to a ripe old age at a high level, like Buffon, also better than de Gea.

de Gea has been a good shop stopper, although still has had some shocking errors at times. I guess all keepers do at various points, but would be interesting to know the frequency of his errors compared to the likes of Peter Schmeichel, Van der Sar, Buffon, etc.

de Gea is not overly inspiring with crosses, especially in a crowded penalty area. There are other keepers that would fill you with more confidence. And, as has been said, his ability on the ball is poor. Maybe some top keepers from yesteryear were not the best on the ball as well, although the game they played was different and so didn't need to be.

 

[Beezerk]

I said it a few days ago, but Maguire deserves enormous credit for the professional way in which he has approached his predicament this season. Always gives his all, never shirks his responsibilities either on or off the pitch.

I feel genuinely sorry for him and hope that he can find himself again. But he really needs to go elsewhere for a fresh start. He has too many scars now from his time in a United shirt.

Amen to that, the last couple of years has shown he clearly isn’t good enough for a really top calibre team, I’d add De Gea to that equation as well, a few decent saves which let’s be honest, any decent keeper worth their salt should make anyway, have almost papered over the cracks of how poor he is nowadays.

 

[Billysboots]

I am going to go on record to say that, in my opinion, Van der Sar was much better than De Gea. He much also much more consistent, and clearly provided a much more reassuring presence behind the defence. Other keepers that players to a ripe old age at a high level, like Buffon, also better than de Gea.

de Gea has been a good shop stopper, although still has had some shocking errors at times. I guess all keepers do at various points, but would be interesting to know the frequency of his errors compared to the likes of Peter Schmeichel, Van der Sar, Buffon, etc.

de Gea is not overly inspiring with crosses, especially in a crowded penalty area. There are other keepers that would fill you with more confidence. And, as has been said, his ability on the ball is poor. Maybe some top keepers from yesteryear were not the best on the ball as well, although the game they played was different and so didn't need to be.

Van der Sar was a league above De Gea.