Slime
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I thought United were lucky to get nil tonight.
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I thought United were lucky to get nil tonight.
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We weren’t that good.
clubchamp98
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Dosnt he fancy him.
can’t be any worse than De Gea.
clubchamp98
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Well done to West Ham.
great game to watch ,some lovely football.
fabulous goals as well.
great game to watch ,some lovely football.
fabulous goals as well.
Swango1980
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DeGea has been good in most games. He also makes key saves when he has had a quiet night.
But, tonight, his lack of ability on ball was exposed more than it has probably ever been exposed before. Balance of probability, DeGea is probably a lot more reliable than Butland, but you cant pick a team in hindsight
PJ87
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I thought United were lucky to get nil tonight.
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Dw the real united won convincingly
PJ87
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Shame Bowens got taken away that was class
Slime
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De Gea has saved us far more points than he's cost us.
Swango1980
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Yes, as a defensive pair, I get very very nervous. Especially with De Gea behing them. Tripling the odds one will make a horror mistake when they try and play out from back. I wonder how much difference a confident, assertive and vocal goalkeeper would have behind the centre backs?
Antony has been decent, and always looks to get involved. But he may have been the only threat to Seville, so more focus on him. Sancho is still very very underwhelming.
Weghorst really is dreadful at a lot of key things. Can't hold ball up, win a header or have a shot, let alone score. Martial is a liability.
At times, it seems too many players hide. Poor movement, bad passing. Mega sloppy
HomecountiesJohn
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When keepers make mistakes they tend to be costly ones.
Shame really as he's been Man u's most consistent player for the last 5yrs or so. He'll bounce back im sure.
Shame really as he's been Man u's most consistent player for the last 5yrs or so. He'll bounce back im sure.
He has, but I’m not sure Ten Hag is going to tolerate any player, especially a ‘keeper, who puts in such an appalling performance in such a big game.
He needs players he knows he can rely on in big games. He’s got to be looking at De Gea’s display tonight and thinking he can’t trust him. And it won’t be easy for De Gea to come back from that in the long term.
Backache
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Looks like United can only go for the domestic treble now.
nickjdavis
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I think that although De Gea was responsible pretty much directly for two of the goals there was an overall collective responsibility for the general performance and I'm pretty sure you could level the same "mistrust" accusation about most of the eleven who started the match. Not one of them really impressed on the "big occasion" its just that ....when a keeper makes a mistake...the ball often ends up in the back of the net.
At the end of the day, the game was lost in the last 20 minutes of the first half at Old Trafford when Utd simply stopped playing, possibly in the belief that the game was pretty much won and further goals would naturally follow almost as a matter of course.
Such is the life of a goalkeeper, though. It comes with the territory I’m afraid.
De Gea’s distribution, and his confidence with the ball at his feet, are both dreadful. Always have been. And whilst I accept that was magnified with the equally calamitous Maguire in front of him, both are key attributes for top ‘keepers in the modern game. It’s precisely why Guardiola jettisoned Joe Hart almost as soon as he took over at City.
De Gea may be a wonderful shot stopper most of the time, but he has been rather left behind by a game which has changed enormously since his arrival at Old Trafford. It is quite clear Ten Hag wants his side to be able to play football from the goalkeeper forward. It’s equally clear De Gea isn’t up to it.
I am a huge De Gea fan. Always have been. But United cannot afford to have a goalkeeper who is so clearly uncomfortable with the ball at his feet. It just undermines the confidence of those in front of him too much.
Swango1980
Well-known member
Added to that, he appears to be a very quiet goalkeeper. Don't see much assertive communication between him and his defenders. Given his poor distribution, and inability to give directions to the guys in front of him (given he can see the whole pitch), I just wonder if this leads to a general lack of believe. Defenders second guessing themselves. And it just spreads throughout the side at times.
We've looked at changing various positions in our shaky defence for years, from centre backs, full backs and defensive midfielders. De Gea has been common throughout, and his time may well be coming to an end. Still a risk, but a risk probably worth taking, will have to happen sometime
12 years as a club’s number one is a long time. I struggle to think of another club which has employed the same ‘keeper that long.
His contract is up in the summer. I really do think he’ll be on his way.
Just seen the goals on the news this morning. Anyone having a pop at Maguire for the first needs to take a step back. De Gea hung him out to dry. I'm sure not intentionally but still, that isn't on poor old Maguire on this occasion.
HomecountiesJohn
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He only had to turn 180° and he had beat the press. Instead he's panicked and played the wrong ball. Maguire has had a look around and pointed he wanted the ball to his feet, he was confident of receiving it knowing he would be closed down. De Gea had just put the ball out of play from the same position leading to the goal too so maybe he wasnt comfortable playing a longer ball. It was a complete mess but i think Maguire takes the brunt of it 80/20.
HomecountiesJohn
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He's been a world class keeper for 10 of those years, i dont think it matters how long he has been there for. If anything a stable keeper is only a positive in the unstable side that ManU have been with different managers in recent seasons.
Neilds
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In football, what you were like last year, 2 years ago, 10 years ago means nothing. You are judged on current form and how you have have played in the past few games. If we are judging De Gea on how he played 10 years ago then something is very wrong. Maybe bring back Jim Leighton if Utd want a keeper who was good a few years back?
