The Footie Thread

[Fade and Die]

Is 12th to 14th good enough for your squad?

Doesnt change that you are massively underperforming considering the players you have, shouldnt be anywhere near the bottom of the table with less than a point a game! Compare your squad to Evertons, Bournemouths, Southamptons, Forests etc

Is Moyes really the right choice of "experience" to see this overhaul? Very few of your players are anywhere close to last years form and his tactics get more and more defensive

Personally be very surprised if Moyes is your manager next season, its only your European exploits that have kept him in the job till now

Under Moyes our game management is absolute toilet. At half time Everton were a busted flush. A poor side low on confidence and just going through the motions waiting for the final whistle. So what do we do? Defend deeper, hand them the initiative and allow them to create one or two half chances which, if one had gone in, would have seen their confidence level rise and who knows what might have happened.

Football is a simple game, If you've got the ball the opposition can't score. Rocket science it isn't. So why do we persist in bringing everyone back behind the ball and wellying clearances upfield so the opposition can come back and have another go? When you're a couple of goals to the good just keep possession. Take care of the bloody ball and force the other lot to take chances if they want to get back into the game.

Next 3 league games will be telling. On the evidence of Saturday I don't see a massive points harvest coming our way.

 

[PJ87]

Under Moyes our game management is absolute toilet. At half time Everton were a busted flush. A poor side low on confidence and just going through the motions waiting for the final whistle. So what do we do? Defend deeper, hand them the initiative and allow them to create one or two half chances which, if one had gone in, would have seen their confidence level rise and who knows what might have happened.

Football is a simple game, If you've got the ball the opposition can't score. Rocket science it isn't. So why do we persist in bringing everyone back behind the ball and wellying clearances upfield so the opposition can come back and have another go? When you're a couple of goals to the good just keep possession. Take care of the bloody ball and force the other lot to take chances if they want to get back into the game.

Next 3 league games will be telling. On the evidence of Saturday I don't see a massive points harvest coming our way.

Sorry but that is such outdated view on football, possession doesn't mean you will win or even your oppo wont get chances

Its about being clinical

We haven't been this season.

We were beating teams with 30% possession before.. counting attacking football.

Saturday was a side low on confidence but we won. Big mile stone. The team looked much more together and this year that's 3 league games played 4 points. Much of an upturn.

This anti Moyes narrative was here before he came back and just returned because the results have slipped.

Moyes has done a fantastic job for us. He deserves the chance to get us out of the bottom of the table and if we still up (which we will) I believe he deserves to see out his contract until next summer.

If we did sack him who would come? Dyche? No thanks. Rafa? God no .. lampard? Not a chance

We won't get a potter, a touchel or a poch

Sacking the manager isn't always the answer

For every poor game there is spurs at home where we looked good , forest away where we did more than enough to win just couldn't score! And chelsea away were they admitted var mucked up.

Its not all doom and gloom

Plenty of football yet to play this season.

We will be closed to top half then 18th point wise.

 

[fundy]

Just have look at history to see Moyes had a season like this at Everton. Finished 15th believe it was next season finished 4th

Takes time for players to bed in. We bought a lot of new players in the summer. Aguard was the player to build around defence wise. He got injured pre season which changed our entire system

We lost noble in the summer whilst he wasn't amazing he was a good captain and rice is a poor captain imo (on pitch fine but off pitch not ready at all) so lost a lot of togetherness

Moyes even said he broke down the cliques .. everyone sat with everyone, team dinners. Hanging out. Players come into that and naturally the Italians sit together , french sit together etc as they speak the same language, needs to work again on team building

We will be more than fine and 12-14th is acceptable

People forget we still are in European football right now , topped the group . May be a "lesser" Comp but it's still something to play for

Good luck with that, hope Moyes and his methods doesnt see you fall behind the times. Football, especially in the premier league is changing massively and not sure hes up to speed

 

[PJ87]

Good luck with that, hope Moyes and his methods doesnt see you fall behind the times. Football, especially in the premier league is changing massively and not sure hes up to speed

He was good enough to take over from bilic and get us out of relegation

Then he was good enough to finish back to back top 8 finishes , good European campaigns etc

 

[fundy]

He was good enough to take over from bilic and get us out of relegation

Then he was good enough to finish back to back top 8 finishes , good European campaigns etc

and in the last 30 prem league games hes averaging less than a point a game having taken almost zero points off any of the top 6 in the process (no shock when you see how you set up each time), relegation form if it continues despite the fact you have some very decent players in your squad

if youre happy with that then fair enough, ill bow out of this conversation

 

[PJ87]

and in the last 30 prem league games hes averaging less than a point a game having taken almost zero points off any of the top 6 in the process (no shock when you see how you set up each time), relegation form if it continues despite the fact you have some very decent players in your squad

if youre happy with that then fair enough, ill bow out of this conversation

Clearly priorities change tho, we were doing well in Europe with a small squad what do you focus on?

Yes this season has been a let down , but that's the only period since he took over for me that has

Yet I trust him to get us out of it

Did you trust areta last season when you looked awful? Lots of behind scenes changes etc .. now look at you guys

Not saying we going to be firing to top of table next season but a bit of patience and time to bed players in .. I see top half

We have scamacca , paquata, aguard all bedding in..need least a season these days to get fully used to England and the league

Then cornet .. we won against wolves he was taken out looked like a minor injury. Hasn't played since .. a very rare (drs only seen once in 25 years) muscle injury

He was suppose to be our new left winger / wing back to add a dimension

Things happen

 

[clubchamp98]

The ref said it was ok.
seems very strange, big crowd as well.

They showed clips on the news this morning of players slipping during those 6 minutes. The ref must have checked the pitch from the dressing room . Very embarrassing.

we have done pitches on match day.
they will get a local ref to inspect it normally at 12noon.
this is to stop any unnecessary travel. By clubs and referees And fans.
but the ref should have inspected it before kick off.
how has it frozen over in six mins.

 

[ColchesterFC]

How much pressure was put on the ref to get the game on as it was being televised? Sounds as though it was obvious after the first few minutes that it should never have been played. Interesting that there are suggestions on social media that the ref said at 9-30am that the game should be called off but was overruled. Who made that decision?

 

[stefanovic]

No more Frank Lampard's Everton, Steven Gerards's Aston Villa, Steve Bruce's Newcastle / WBA, Wayne Rooney's Derby County.
Better if former England players at least prove themselves at a lower level first.

 

[Swango1980]

we have done pitches on match day.
they will get a local ref to inspect it normally at 12noon.
this is to stop any unnecessary travel. By clubs and referees And fans.
but the ref should have inspected it before kick off.
how has it frozen over in six mins.

As has already been said, the sequence of events seems to have started at 9.30am, 3 hours before kick off, where the referee deemed the pitch unplayable. However, it was agreed to inspect it closer to kick off, following use of a cover and heaters. So, the question is, who influenced the ref? If the ref deemed the pitch unplayable, did he ask people to see if he could make it playable? Or, was he influenced by people saying they could make it playable? Was he put under pressure because it was a televised game? Or, under pressure because coaches wanted to get the game played?

Either way, it was a risky call that didn't pay off. At the final inspection before the match, presumably he made the wrong call anyway, but if it was borderline and he was being pressured to get the game on, I can understand why he took the risk to just play it, and hope it would actually be OK. I wonder how much involvement coaches and players have at this point? If they came out at the same time, and just said "no way, we can't play on this", then it would seem an easy call to call it off. Unless the BBC put them under pressure to play it?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Lampard and Gerrard both got jobs on their name rather than their ability

Both should have stayed where they were for longer before jumping to the prem

Ironically did good jobs and derby / rangers but not ready for the prem and found out.

Called lampard being a poor appointment when he got the job. He has done nothing in the role to improve Everton

Did Lampard really do a good job at Derby ?

He took a team that finished 6th added a lot of good players from Chelsea etc and ended up being - 6th

Took a Chelsea team from 3rd to 4th

He had achieved nothing of any note

Gerrard spent 3 seasons at Rangers and won them their first title in a decade.

Whilst he prob should have stayed a bit longer as least got a club over the line and can see him getting another job at some point

 

[Deleted member 15344]

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[Dando]

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To be fair Benny hill could’ve done a better job than fat frank

 

[Jimaroid]

This. Seven hundred million times, this.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1617604618506375169

 

[Jensen]

All set to watch Conte’s flowing football at Craven Cottage ?

 

[BiMGuy]

Shame about Frank. I was enjoying his failure.

 

[srixon 1]

All set to watch Conte’s flowing football at Craven Cottage ?

The chanting of the same words is doing my head in.

 

[nickjdavis]

No more Frank Lampard's Everton, Steven Gerards's Aston Villa, Steve Bruce's Newcastle / WBA, Wayne Rooney's Derby County.
Better if former England players at least prove themselves at a lower level first.

I dont think that is fair on Steve Bruce.

He had proved himself to be *** at a number of clubs before joining Newcastle.

 

[BiMGuy]

Are Spurs told not to cross the halfway line in to the oppositions half?

 

[nickjdavis]

VAR coming to quick (albeit non) decisions this evening....is this sign of things to come?