The Footie Thread

[Billysboots]

I can only assume if found not guilty of the other 2 crimes that he will then counter sue for lost career earnings...

I doubt that very much. Bear in mind the differing burden of proof in civil and criminal proceedings. The burden in the criminal courts, beyond all reasonable doubt, is considerably higher than in the civil courts, where cases are decided on the balance of probabilities.

Given the CPS believed, as they have to in order to charge a suspect, that there was a realistic prospect of a conviction, then regardless of the acquittal it seems almost inconceivable that a civil court would decide in Mendy’s favour on the balance of probabilities. It would be a very courageous civil lawyer who takes a client on in these circumstances.

 

[Orikoru]

Ched Evans came out of prison and was on verge of going back to Sheffield United until Jessica Ennis hill said she would want her name removed from the club if they signed him

Then he had his conviction over turned and his moves werent a problem

Don't think he ever got a public apology from her tho ?

If he is found not guilty he won't have problem finding a club the only loser will really be city due to his value dropping (but wasn't he rubbish anyways?)

It's not strictly true. I think wherever he has signed there has been backlash from certain fans saying he's not wanted and so on. And he lost 4 or so years of peak development years from the age of 24.

 

[Swango1980]

He won't have problems finding a club, it just might not be the level he was before .. might be a move back to France etc.

No he won't be able to sue for loss of earnings but your missing the point no club can not offering him a contract because of his non conviction

They don't have to go for him correct but there is no legal reason to stop him signing for anyone

He will be a free man and no convictions and not on the register.

I don't disagree with any of that, and I'm not sure if you have misinterpreted my original point?

My original point was simply saying that, despite being found not guilty, it will mean little in terms of his career, which was already ruined (maybe not completely, but significantly negatively impacted). The fact that he is found not guilty, and in particular if it could be proved he was actually completely innocent, then it should have no impact whatsoever. Provided he gets back to fitness and the level he was playing at, he should have a career in which the accusation has zero impact. But, this is the problem with being in the public eye. Even when Not Guilty, he might as well be guilty to many people out there. There will have been plenty of people rushing to give their negative opinions on him, assuming he is as guilty as sin. They will certainly not want to change their opinion, and "lose face", now that he is found Not Guilty, and instead justify their original opinions about him, and blame the legal system for failing rape victims. I'm sure there were personal details shared about Mendy, which although they might not be illegal, many might consider as filthy or horrible (while others might think of them as a typical Saturday night out)

And, your first sentence suggests we are actually on the same page, where you say the club he finds might not be at the level he was at before, and he might have to move back to France (or away from England). Therefore, the accusation and case has, if this ends up being true, ruled out clubs at the top level and ruled out many clubs in England, clubs that could have been options for him had none of this ever happened.

 

[clubchamp98]

Not guilty is just that. Not guilty

In the eyes of the law

Yes but the law dosnt count .
when it comes to celebs and losing money it’s what Twitter thinks that really matters.it’s

 

[Billysboots]

I don't disagree with any of that, and I'm not sure if you have misinterpreted my original point?

My original point was simply saying that, despite being found not guilty, it will mean little in terms of his career, which was already ruined (maybe not completely, but significantly negatively impacted). The fact that he is found not guilty, and in particular if it could be proved he was actually completely innocent, then it should have no impact whatsoever. Provided he gets back to fitness and the level he was playing at, he should have a career in which the accusation has zero impact. But, this is the problem with being in the public eye. Even when Not Guilty, he might as well be guilty to many people out there. There will have been plenty of people rushing to give their negative opinions on him, assuming he is as guilty as sin. They will certainly not want to change their opinion, and "lose face", now that he is found Not Guilty, and instead justify their original opinions about him, and blame the legal system for failing rape victims. I'm sure there were personal details shared about Mendy, which although they might not be illegal, many might consider as filthy or horrible (while others might think of them as a typical Saturday night out)

And, your first sentence suggests we are actually on the same page, where you say the club he finds might not be at the level he was at before, and he might have to move back to France (or away from England). Therefore, the accusation and case has, if this ends up being true, ruled out clubs at the top level and ruled out many clubs in England, clubs that could have been options for him had none of this ever happened.

I agree entirely. Whether legally guilty or not, Mendy was charged with seven rapes. Football fans, such as they are, will make his life intolerable.

 

[Tashyboy]

When he first came to City he was a breath of fresh air.

Then His attitude kicked in. It seemed he was more interested in social media than his football. He then suffered a serious knee injury. Having read snippets of the case he is a loathesome man who cared about no one but himself. He may have been found not guilty on most of the charges but I would imagine most City fans would be happy not to see him in a City shirt again, including me.

 

[Swango1980]

When he first came to City he was a breath of fresh air.

Then His attitude kicked in. It seemed he was more interested in social media than his football. He then suffered a serious knee injury. Having read snippets of the case he is a loathesome man who cared about no one but himself. He may have been found not guilty on most of the charges but I would imagine most City fans would be happy not to see him in a City shirt again, including me.

And, therein lies the "problem" I'm talking about. Sure, if these snippets are all true, then I suppose it is a fair reaction. And, in your case, your judgement is he is a loathsome man who cared about no one but himself, and you'd be happy not to see him in a City shirt again. So, guilty or not, you have come to this conclusion based on this case.

However, how many of these snippets are actually true? After all, and I do not work in law, but I imagine the prosecution barrister has a job to paint Mendy in the most horrific light as possible? I doubt they'd say "he is normally a really nice guy, but was guilty of a few serious misjudgements". Then, you'll have the press reporting on it, who will even manage to scale up the negative information coming out of the case, to really give them some juicy headlines to write, and intensify the opinions people give on Mendy.

I did read one quote, from a former Man City official who said "he is the nicest guy you'll ever meet". Again, only one opinion, so doesn't count for much. But, for me I think it is a great sign that it is very difficult, if not impossible, to properly judge anyone by what you read in the press a lot of the time. It might be easier if you hear people speak their words directly, and have a better idea on the context they were in. But, none of this will help Mendy, as many will have already decided he is a loathsome man.

 

[Tashyboy]

And, therein lies the "problem" I'm talking about. Sure, if these snippets are all true, then I suppose it is a fair reaction. And, in your case, your judgement is he is a loathsome man who cared about no one but himself, and you'd be happy not to see him in a City shirt again. So, guilty or not, you have come to this conclusion based on this case.

However, how many of these snippets are actually true? After all, and I do not work in law, but I imagine the defence barrister has a job to paint Mendy in the most horrific light as possible? I doubt they'd say "he is normally a really nice guy, but was guilty of a few serious misjudgements". Then, you'll have the press reporting on it, who will even manage to scale up the negative information coming out of the case, to really give them some juicy headlines to write, and intensify the opinions people give on Mendy.

I did read one quote, from a former Man City official who said "he is the nicest guy you'll ever meet". Again, only one opinion, so doesn't count for much. But, for me I think it is a great sign that it is very difficult, if not impossible, to properly judge anyone by what you read in the press a lot of the time. It might be easier if you hear people speak their words directly, and have a better idea on the context they were in. But, none of this will help Mendy, as many will have already decided he is a loathsome man.

The bits that I read were quotes from the case.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-63857493

 

[fundy]

Interesting statement from Trossards agent re his situation at Brighton

https://twitter.com/x/status/1613947986312138764

 

[nickjdavis]

In other news....Joelinton has been arrested for drink driving.

 

[fundy]

Interesting statement from Trossards agent re his situation at Brighton

https://twitter.com/x/status/1613947986312138764

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/64267013

And the other side of the story

 

[Swango1980]

Interesting statement from Trossards agent re his situation at Brighton

https://twitter.com/x/status/1613947986312138764

Sounds like another scumbag agent, under authorisation of his client, putting a story out there to force a move. Making Trossard sound like the victim.

At end of day, the manager needs to win games. He picks the team he thinks will do that. If he doesn't pick a player, they are either injured, not the right player for that game or have had a negative attitude not desirable for the team.

If the player is a top player, Brighton fans will be quick to criticise manager, or at least ask questions, if they are not picked for certain games. So, there is no real need for the players agent to start going public.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Interesting statement from Trossards agent re his situation at Brighton

https://twitter.com/x/status/1613947986312138764

Do you think they would like Maupay back if Trossard leaves? Barely used, still in his wrapper pretty much.

 

[HomecountiesJohn]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/64267013

And the other side of the story

The truth is usually somewhere in between.

 

[fundy]

Do you think they would like Maupay back if Trossard leaves? Barely used, still in his wrapper pretty much.

I think its unlikely, Maupay has always been a infraction infraction infraction infraction lol

Expect there will be plenty of suitors for Trossard, his old boss the most likely?

 

[Deleted member 29109]

Not a pen for holding Rodders with 2 hands then?

 

[fundy]

Wow Napoli look like making a massive statement in Serie A tonight, 2-0 up against 2nd placed Juve

 

[fundy]

Wow Napoli look like making a massive statement in Serie A tonight, 2-0 up against 2nd placed Juve

cancel that lol, 2-1

 

[fundy]

Right 1st time, 4-1 now. Serie A theirs to lose for sure now Osimhen some player

 

[Beezerk]

In other news....Joelinton has been arrested for drink driving.

Yeah heard that last night, near Ponteland apparently.
Mad, get a taxi or hire a chauffeur.