The all things EV chat thread

EVM did a review:

3p per mile add on tax payment, but from April 2028 onwards. A few more years of no extra tax.
Luxury car tax up from £50k from April 2026 onwards.

What I am now not clear about is that if I buy a 2nd hand £45k car for £30k in May then I still have to pay the £400 a year for the remaining 4 years.
 
larmen said:
We had a guy in the running club who in the early 2000s worked for the ministry of transport and was looking into pay by mile road pricing. I can't recall if it was maut or general, but it was way before EV.
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Not sure if it was the same scheme, but in the early 2000s I worked briefly on the early stages of a road usage scheme specifically for HGVs.
Didn't get anywhere because the technology wasn't really capable enough back then. (And there were plenty of political hurdles as well).
 
Main points in that document is that it is a declaration to DVLA of your estimated mileage for the coming year with the tax having to be paid up front.
Payments will adjusted at the end of the year according to mileage on MOTs.

Wow that is a lot of data they are going to have to deal with in one go assuming every owner has to do it on the 1st of April and I bet they will bring in fines for late declaration, as per TAX returns.
 
jim8flog said:
Main points in that document is that it is a declaration to DVLA of your estimated mileage for the coming year with the tax having to be paid up front.
Payments will adjusted at the end of the year according to mileage on MOTs.

Wow that is a lot of data they are going to have to deal with in one go assuming every owner has to do it on the 1st of April and I bet they will bring in fines for late declaration, as per TAX returns.
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Thanks.

Tax returns are just doing a big advert for their app. Maybe that’s where the 2 year delay comes in handy to replicate it for vehicles. Might as well put mot and other car stuff like insurance, driving license, service history, … in the same app
 
jim8flog said:
Main points in that document is that it is a declaration to DVLA of your estimated mileage for the coming year with the tax having to be paid up front.
Payments will adjusted at the end of the year according to mileage on MOTs.

Wow that is a lot of data they are going to have to deal with in one go assuming every owner has to do it on the 1st of April and I bet they will bring in fines for late declaration, as per TAX returns.
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The document states it'll be part of renewing VED, so presumably not all on 1st April, but speed (edit: SPREAD) over the year as each EV driver's VED is due.

A flat rate per mile is a blunt instrument. Is it fair that someone driving an electric Fiat 500 pays the same as another driving a humongous 3 ton SUV? At least fuel duty means drivers of the least efficient cars pay the most. Monitoring the total kWh fed in to the car would be fairer, and I'd be surprised if this wasn't something that all EVs keep a record of.
 
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cliveb said:
The document states it'll be part of renewing VED, so presumably not all on 1st April, but speed (edit: SPREAD) over the year as each EV driver's VED is due.

A flat rate per mile is a blunt instrument. Is it fair that someone driving an electric Fiat 500 pays the same as another driving a humongous 3 ton SUV? At least fuel duty means drivers of the least efficient cars pay the most. Monitoring the total kWh fed in to the car would be fairer, and I'd be surprised if this wasn't something that all EVs keep a record of.
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I was trying to get my head around this before your post.

The advice given out to EV owners when the introduced the new RFL rates was to renew your even if you had it already to get a lot of extra months for free. I was trying to work out if this meant a lot of drivers that previously had different renewal dates now all have the same renewal date. On a personal level I left it to nearly the last month possible to do this.

What was going through my mind is the massive amount of work that is going to happen to the DVLA in the same month
 
I have no particular issues with the pay per mile charge on EV's, I was expecting that something like that would happen at some point given the shortfall in fuel duty. My main concern (which I think has been mentioned above) is that 3p becomes 5p then 7.5p and so on and so forth. Does it then extend to ICE cars? Motorists are always seen as easy targets and will continue to be squeezed. I also wouldn't mind so much if the quality of roads was actually improved but the new taxes will be taken and I'd imagine they'll still be left in a terrible state.
 
road2ruin said:
I have no particular issues with the pay per mile charge on EV's, I was expecting that something like that would happen at some point given the shortfall in fuel duty. My main concern (which I think has been mentioned above) is that 3p becomes 5p then 7.5p and so on and so forth. Does it then extend to ICE cars? Motorists are always seen as easy targets and will continue to be squeezed. I also wouldn't mind so much if the quality of roads was actually improved but the new taxes will be taken and I'd imagine they'll still be left in a terrible state.
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I don’t see it being applied to ICE vehicles, as they only have 5 more years of sales left so therefore demand will slowly diminish and also let’s be honest, they collect more via the pumps anyway.
 
cliveb said:
The document states it'll be part of renewing VED, so presumably not all on 1st April, but speed (edit: SPREAD) over the year as each EV driver's VED is due.

A flat rate per mile is a blunt instrument. Is it fair that someone driving an electric Fiat 500 pays the same as another driving a humongous 3 ton SUV? At least fuel duty means drivers of the least efficient cars pay the most. Monitoring the total kWh fed in to the car would be fairer, and I'd be surprised if this wasn't something that all EVs keep a record of.
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So should I pay less to run my Mazda CX-5 2 ltr petrol engine car as it is lighter than most (if not all) EV cars of similar size?
And just to help, my CX5 is 10 cm longer than my previous Mazda 3. The main difference is in its higher seating position.
My van has a max payload of 1.2 ton, the electric version of my van has a max payload of 0.5 ton.
 
larmen said:
Thanks.

Tax returns are just doing a big advert for their app. Maybe that’s where the 2 year delay comes in handy to replicate it for vehicles. Might as well put mot and other car stuff like insurance, driving license, service history, … in the same app
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Maybe they could call it a digital ID;)
 
IanM said:
When the "how will they record mileage" questions started that was my first thought.

They'll be "chipping" everything they can, snd I don't been an 8 iron from the fringe!🤣
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Was on the news tonight, a yearly visit to the MOT station regardless of age (obviously under 3 visit just to record the mileage).
 
I have never been to a MOT station. Ford is doing them on service. Same for my bike where the local mechanic does it.

So when I buy my Enyak or Explorer or EQC (building myself a shopping list) next year I would hope that the people selling it to me do it as well.
 
IanM said:
What is the service interval on an EV? Surely that's the data capture opportunity.
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Is a "data capture" necessary though?
Income tax self-assessment relies on trust and fear of penalties if caught out and is much higher value than the EV mileage charge. They could just make it a simple declaration up until the point that a car is old enough to require an MOT.
 
larmen said:
I have never been to a MOT station. Ford is doing them on service. Same for my bike where the local mechanic does it.

So when I buy my Enyak or Explorer or EQC (building myself a shopping list) next year I would hope that the people selling it to me do it as well.
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Not wanting to split hairs, but anywhere that carries out MOTs can be considered to be an MOT station, you are either just being pedantic or trying to be clever 😉
 
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