The all things EV chat thread

[RichA]

They should either tax everyone the same or do it on emissions. Make the most polluting pay more.

This is just another squeeze on the middle that will be complex and expensive to administer.

Pretty much what we already have, assuming that the biggest polluters are the biggest consumers.
About 40% of what we pay at the pump is fuel duty.
Every car costs £195 per year plus the extra £425 for the first 5 years for anything that was over £40,000 when new.
I'm struggling to think of a fairer method where the changes wouldn't cost more than they made to implement.

 

[bobmac]

There you go, get yourself in government, you got all the answers.

No I don't have all the answers, I just have ideas.
But I would prefer paying 9p a mile as that would be around £60 per year rather than £195

 

[WorldHandicapSystem]

Pretty much what we already have, assuming that the biggest polluters are the biggest consumers.
About 40% of what we pay at the pump is fuel duty.
Every car costs £195 per year plus the extra £425 for the first 5 years for anything that was over £40,000 when new.
I'm struggling to think of a fairer method where the changes wouldn't cost more than they made to implement.

The tax on new cars over £40k is another example of the squeeze on the middle. There aren’t too many nice cars that are under that value these days.

Tax the filthy oil burners.

 

[GreiginFife]

No I don't have all the answers, I just have ideas.
But I would prefer paying 9p a mile as that would be around £60 per year rather than £195

Oh, I have plenty of ideas. But they don’t equate to feasibility to pan-nationally deploy, track and administer.

Our civil service couldn’t even set up a basic track and trace system…

 

[larmen]

The tax on new cars over £40k is another example of the squeeze on the middle. There aren’t too many nice cars that are under that value these days.

You can get a few EVs for that, but you have to drop all options including colour.
Am I understanding it right that if I buy a used EV for £30k which was £45k a year ago I am still paying this for the remains time frame?

 

[GreiginFife]

You can get a few EVs for that, but you have to drop all options including colour.
Am I understanding it right that if I buy a used EV for £30k which was £45k a year ago I am still paying this for the remains time frame?

Yes, it's list price not purchase price.

 

[RichA]

The tax on new cars over £40k is another example of the squeeze on the middle. There aren’t too many nice cars that are under that value these days.

Tax the filthy oil burners.

Already happening.
I pay about £1300 per year for road fund licence plus fuel duty, driving 20,000 miles in a diesel car. It was £1700 for the first few years.
I'm not complaining. I knew the score when I bought it.

And the extra tax on new cars over £40,000 is only effectively adding £1,700 to the price, spread over 5 years.

And there are plenty of sub-£40,000 cars anyway.

 

[Bunkermagnet]

The tax on new cars over £40k is another example of the squeeze on the middle. There aren’t too many nice cars that are under that value these days.

Tax the filthy oil burners.

I've had a few nice cars,the current one included. None of which cost more than £40k.
No wonder society is going down the pan. You have what you can afford, not what you think youre entitled to.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

The tax on new cars over £40k is another example of the squeeze on the middle. There aren’t too many nice cars that are under that value these days.

Tax the filthy oil burners.

Plenty of cars under £40k that are nice

 

[clubchamp98]

If EVs should pay to use the roads, then why would it not be fair to pay more the more you use the roads?

If they scrap all the other taxes on ice cars then fair enough.

 

[adasko]

I'm wondering how you can have 190 pounds road tax on EV's and plenty of ICE cars that pay 20 pounds a year.

 

[Bunkermagnet]

I'm wondering how you can have 190 pounds road tax on EV's and plenty of ICE cars that pay 20 pounds a year.

Simplest, scrap all rhe different levels and make it the same for all vehicles, regardless of what it was when new.

 

[cliveb]

Simplest, scrap all rhe different levels and make it the same for all vehicles, regardless of what it was when new.

NOOOOO!!!
I'm keeping my 2017 petrol car (£20 road tax) until it bites the dust.

 

[jim8flog]

No I don't have all the answers, I just have ideas.
But I would prefer paying 9p a mile as that would be around £60 per year rather than £195

I would be in that bracket as well. I am down to 5-6k a year now.

Might even start using my bus pass if it is brought in and that is a cost the local council has to cover.

Pre the days of EVs I was always in favour of scrap road tax and put in to fuel costs.

 

[RichA]

I'm wondering how you can have 190 pounds road tax on EV's and plenty of ICE cars that pay 20 pounds a year.

Because that was the law when they were manufactured.
But those older ICE car owners are paying 53p fuel duty per litre plus 20% VAT for their fuel. Average mileage and mpg total annual tax ~ £720.
The new EV owners are only paying 5% VAT on their domestic electricity when charging. Average mileage total annual tax ~ £220.
So the EV tax bill for average use is still less than a third that of the cheapest old ICE car.

 

[adasko]

Because that was the law when they were manufactured.
But those older ICE car owners are paying 53p fuel duty per litre plus 20% VAT for their fuel. Average mileage and mpg total annual tax ~ £720.
The new EV owners are only paying 5% VAT on their domestic electricity when charging. Average mileage total annual tax ~ £220.
So the EV tax bill for average use is still less than a third that of the cheapest old ICE car.

Wasn't that the same law for the EV's.
From your calculation 190 pounds on road tax you left 30 pounds for electricity which equate to roughly 1700 miles I doubt that's average millage
Are people who have EV's and don't charge at home just using public chargers are they paying only 5% tax ?

 

[RichA]

Are people who have EV's and don't charge at home just using public chargers are they paying only 5% tax ?

No.

 

[RichA]

Wasn't that the same law for the EV's.
From your calculation 190 pounds on road tax you left 30 pounds for electricity which equate to roughly 1700 miles I doubt that's average millage

Nope. I said those are the total tax bills, not the total fuel bills.

 

[adasko]

When I bought my car new 3 years ago it was 0 tax now they want me to pay 190
I leave in the country side, I do around 16k miles a year just to work if they introduce per pay mile just for the electric cars i'll be going back to ICE

 

[RichA]

When I bought my car new 3 years ago it was 0 tax now they want me to pay 190
I leave in the country side, I do around 16k miles a year just to work if they introduce per pay mile just for the electric cars i'll be going back to ICE

I'd check the maths before doing anything hasty.